If a man takes (steals) a woman's time without giving in return it is like a violation of a commandment not to steal. It is possible to steal anothers affection without giving in return. And Yes both men & women do it. :devil:
"his disciples asked him, �Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?� 3 Jesus answered, �It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4 We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work."
One of the reasons wickedness is in this world, is so that God's power can be manifested in those who overcome the temptations of this world.
"Love not the world, neither the things in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
The Father's Love (perfect Love) trumps the fear this world advocates. If we are driven by fear, lust or the love of money we should question what world is pushing that on us.
quote: "God had every legal right to divorce Israel under the Law for. "unfaithfulness". But He did not want to, He hated to divorce her and pleaded with her to return in his Grace and her Obedience."
Exactlly, that is a perfect example. Many do not want to divorce but have no choice in the matter. A man or woman cannot controll what the other does.
The bible says women are not to usurp authority over the man. And this what I mean by controlling her husband.
And you are right every man must have self control. But in the area of sexual temptations that authority is also given to each other.
..."because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband...
... The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does."1Cor7:2 &4.
Some find it hard to understand how a man can have authority over a woman's body. Likewise I'm sure it must be hard to for women to understand how much power they have over men. Unfortunately the one's who "DO" get it are the prostitutes and pornographers.
Like I said before, if a prostitute can have sex two or three times a day (for money) why can't a wife have sex two or three times a week for her husband? If the two are "ONE" whatever problems they have belong to them both. If the husband has sex problems, she does too because they are one. And if the wife wants her husband to pay her for what (sex) he is entittled to, how is that any different than paying for some porno magazine. Of course I could be wrong. there is another side of the coin. Like Adam said "it's that woman you gave." :ROFL:
I like Jude the Prude. Some people unwittingly glorify sexual sins while attempting to preach against it. I have never know any women to use porn except those in the business (sex). I could be wrong. I believe all men have a problem with porn. If they don't, they should have. :yay:
Because it is a disgraceful and blatant disrespect for all women. It should be banned simply because it is a wholesale invasion of privacy and exploitation of the female form. They call it a freedom of expression. But there is an awful lot of money changing hands in this business. I have never heard of porn stars doing "it" for free. To me that is whormongering. That is the root meaning of the word. The Greek word Pornea litterally means graphic images of harlotry. Christians are right to condemn it.
It is a problem for men because it renders them impotent in respect to any normal relationship with a woman, devestating to marriage and promotes other sexual sins, i.e. child porn, homosexuality, adultery and so on.
A man should not have eyes full of adultery. 2 Peter 2:14, "They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls."
Some call it the poor man's viagra because it helps them date rape themselves whichn is a type of (homo) same sex or sex with self.
Married men should cultivate a lust for thier wives at all costs because they are so strongly and easily tempted. This is the one place a wife should exercise authority over the husband, to protect him and make sure he is not out of control. Yes, a wife can and should control her man. Because he is like "an ox goes to the slaughter, Or as a fool to the correction of the stocks," Proverbs 7:22 NKJV. No woman wants to married to a dead Ox.
Luke 16:18: "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." OK, Note what translation you use.
"Anyone who divorces" has evolved from the Old KJV version "Whosoever putteth away his wife."
The NIV, Living bible,NASB and other popular versions today say "Divorce" while the older translations Websters, ASV, Dolby say put away.
I like "Young's Literal Translation" it says,
"Every one who is sending away his wife, and marrying another, doth commit adultery; and every one who is marrying her sent away from a husband doth commit adultery."
Put away basically meant a split up or seperation.Why is this so important? because what constitutes a divorce today is not exactly the same as a divorce in bible times.Today couples may fight/ break up, and then make up afterwards. But if they divorce it makes it final. the bible says threre are two parts to a legitimate divorce under thr Law and that was a writting of divorcement and to be put away.
"They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so." Matt 19:7-8.
It sounds like hardness of heart is reason for divorce. Or at least the "writing of divorcement." The Pharisees brought up that term.
Jesus only uses the word for Put away. And it sounds like the "writing of divorcement, and to put her away" are both necessary parts to a divorce according to the Law.
Is it possible then to hate a wife and put her away without granting a "writing of divorcement." that is the definition of "Agunah."
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"Agunah (Hebrew: עגונה‎, plural: agunot (עגונות); literally 'anchored or chained') is a halachic term for a Jewish woman who is "chained" to her marriage. It is also often used nowadays for a woman whose husband refuses or is unable to grant her an official bill of divorce, known as a get.
For a divorce to be effective, Jewish law requires that a man grant his wife a get of his own free will. Without a get or a heter aguna (permission by a halachic authority based on a decision that her husband is presumed dead) no new marriage will be recognized, and any children she might have with another man would be considered illegitimate.
Because of the difficulty of the situation for women in such situations, it has been a task for every generation of halachic authorities to try to find halachically acceptable means to permit such women to remarry." from Wikipedia.
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The man that "hates and puts away" (hardness of heart) is based on the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in the 1950's and also verifies other ancient manuscripts and contradict the Mosaic text which the KJV is based on. In other words the Dead Sea Scrolls, hidden in caves in 70 ad, is the same scroll/bible Jesus used in Nazareth when He stood and quoted Isa. "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me." The following commentary compares the Mosaic text with the DSS.
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"Malachi 2:16.
Masoretic Text: For he hated [when] dismissing [her], said YHWH the God of Israel, and he covered his garment with violence, said YHWH of hosts. And you should guard your spirit and not deal treacherously.
Septuagint: But, if hating, you should dismiss [her], says the Lord, the God of Israel, then ungodliness will cover your thoughts, says the Lord Almighty. And you must guard your spirit, and by no means forsake [your wife].
Notes:
The rendering �I hate� found in many modern translations is based on an emendation of the Hebrew, literally reading �he hated.� The partially preserved Dead Sea Scroll text can be translated to read, �For if you hate and divorce.� The Greek, in the Septuagint, could be rendered, �But if out of hatred you should divorce.� Likely, therefore, the censure is directed against those who manifested a hateful attitude toward their wives and, for no valid reason, divorced them. This basic thought is conveyed in commonly used French and German translations. Examples in German are: Wer ihr aber gram ist and sie verst��t, spricht der HERR, der Gott Israels, der bedeckt mit Frevel sein Kleid. (Whoever is grievous to her and dismisses her, says the LORD, the God of Israel, covers his garment with iniquity.) (Luther, 1984 edition) Wenn einer seine Frau aus Abneigung verst��t, [spricht der Herr, Israels Gott,] dann befleckt er sich mit einer Gewalttat. (If someone dismisses his wife out of antipathy, [says the Lord, Israel�s God,] then he sullies himself with a violent deed.) (Einheits�bersetzung)
As Jesus Christ pointed out, when answering a question about divorce, the arrangement set forth in the Mosaic law was a concession. It served to protect the woman from the kind of hateful abuse that would have resulted if divorce had not been permitted. (Matthew 19:3-10) Therefore, if the emendation �I hate divorce� is representative of the original text (though the evidence appears to point to the contrary), it should evidently be understood in the context of the kind of divorcing being censured. It could not mean that YHWH detested the provision about divorce included in his law.
The Septuagint is consistent in using a verb meaning �forsake� when rendering the Hebrew term meaning �act treacherously.� There is a possibility that a copyist misread the Greek word for �garments� (endymata) and wrote enthym�mat� (thoughts). The Septuagint uses two different words for �not,� the second one serving as an intensifier, and the two negatives may be translated �by no means.�
Commentary:
Divine disapproval rested on the man who, out of hatred, callously dismissed or divorced his wife. Instead of using his garment protectively, such a man covered it with violence, depriving his wife of her home and family by divorcing her without valid reason. (Compare Ruth 3:4; Ezekiel 16:8.) The Israelite men generally are again admonished to guard their spirit, resisting the development of a hateful desire that would lead to treacherous action, that is, divorcing their wives."
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If this be the case the translation "I hate divorce" is more accurately translated "he who hates and puts away." And gives more meaning to a description of hardness of heart.
It also answer the question of how it is "God hates divorce" when He divorced Israel Himself. :eat:
Satan as a roaring lion, is so load it can be heard for several miles on the African plain. And it instills a "fight or flight" type fear in those animals that hear it. This fear can mentally terrorize the prey. We are not to fear satan. Perfect love casts out all fear and we cast out satan with God's power.
The Lion of the Tribe of Judah is symbolic of a great king, And real lions are beautiful creatures. Still the roaring will attract attention.
In my humble opinion (IMHO), means I am open to discussion on this even desire it. We should not reject it without understanding first.
Just because someone does not agree does not mean they do not have a valid point.
Jesus pointed out a hardness of heart issue (Matthew 19:8).
I believe He was condemning hardness of heart not all divorce or all divorced people. Have you been divorced? If not how can you condemn others who are. I have found very judgmental people say divorce is a sin and sinners have no part in God's kingdom (lose their salvation?)
They say it is the sin of adultery if they marry again. Or that a divorced woman who marries another man is condemning him to hell because it is a perpetual adultery. So she should divorce the second husband and go back to the first one even if he does not want her. When he refuses, She is then told to pray and wait for his salvation to be joined back together in God's eyes. But possibly be celebrate the rest of her life. she will become a "marriage martyr" never to experience the true love marriage was meant to be. If the husband then demands money for her freedom, because she is his property, it looks very much like what has continued to this day in Judaism. The marriage martyr is called a chained wife. The Hebrew word is "agunah" and continues even to this day. check it out for yourself. This IMHO it is hardness of heart. When Jesus was asked about the the Mosaic Law, I believe this is the hardness of heart He was speaking of. Not all men put away their wives and then demand money before they grant a get (divorce) paper to marry again. Jesus was not speaking to people suffering from divorce but Pharisees seeking to trip Him up concerning the Law. So we should not condemn divorce either.
In my humble opinion (IMHO), means I am open to discussion on this even desire it. We should not reject it without understanding.You must believe Christians are stupid.
Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they do not have a valid point. Let me answer your railing accusations.
quote: "What do you mean Jesus didn't condemn it???????????? THAT IS A LIE STRAIGHT FROM HELL. The only piece of truth in that is that Jesus pointed out a hardness of heart issue (Matthew 19:8). But shepherd, you have disastrously twisted and manipulated the HOLY WORD OF GOD. Jesus VERY CLEARLY condemned divorce. I don't know how much more clear He could make it."
I believe He was condemning hardness of heart not all divorce or all divorced people. Have you been divorced? If not how do you condemn others who are. I have found very judgmental people say divorce is a sin and sinners have no part in God's kingdom (lose their salvation?)
They say it is the sin of adultery if they marry again. Or that a divorced woman who marries another man is condemning him to hell because it is a perpetual adultery. So she should divorce the second husband and go back to the first one even if he does not want her. When he refuses She is then told to pray and wait for his salvation to be joined back together in God's eyes. But possibly be celebrate the rest of her life. she will become a "marriage martyr" never to experience the true love marriage was meant to be. If the husband then demands money for her freedom, because she is his property, it looks very much like what has continued to this day in Judaism. The marriage martyr is called a chained wife. The Hebrew word is "agunah" and continues even to this day. check it out for yourself. This IMHO it is hardness of heart. When Jesus was asked about the the Mosaic Law, I believe this is the hardness of heart He was speaking of. Not all men put away their wives and then demand money before they grant a get (divorce) paper to marry again. Jesus was not speaking to people suffering from divorce. And we should not condemn them.:glow: either.
