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ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE
Posted : 2 Nov, 2018 06:30 PM

Atheists and even some Christians insist real contradictions exist in the Bible. So, is it true the Bible contradicts itself?





Let’s take a look at an alleged contradiction and see if it qualifies. Matthew 27:27-28 says the color of the robe placed on Jesus just prior to his crusifiction was scarlet but Mark 15 says it was purple. Some atheists believe this qualifies as a contradiction. Are they right?





This can be a challenging exercise but learn to welcome them. Finding answers can be rewarding. Don’t let atheists discourage you.





I remember working a few logic puzzles and I’m sure some of you do as well. Some of the apparent contradictions seemed insurmountable UNTIL we read the answer. When we discovered the answer was quit simple we wondered why it was seemed so difficult.





Ok, let’s try—ready— get set—go!!

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ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE
Posted : 13 Nov, 2018 05:25 AM

"**HOWEVER, WE ARE COMMANDED TO WALK AS JESUS WALKED {SEE JOHN 2:6} AND TO BE HOLY AS GOD IS HOLY, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO WE SIN DAILY. AND WE SHOULD **DAILY** ASK GOD TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND PURIFY US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS**!!"



More is said than what this statement gives. If we say we know Him, we lie, unless we know, we do not know Him until we keep His commandments. This perfects the love of God inside of us. Does it make sense for anyone to say they are abiding in Christ, but that they find it impossible to walk as Jesus walked? So again, if we say we are in the light of the Lord, we are in darkness if we hate our brother. He who loves his brother has no stumbling being perfected in the Lords love to his brother, they abide in that light of the Lord..



1 John 2:6 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.



5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.



6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.



9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.



10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him







It is true that God commands us to be holy, but that we cannot be holy as He is holy? Why does Go have to tell us and how us what is right for us to do, and then someone can say we cant do it, and they are right for that?



Righteousness cannot fellowship with unrighteousness, and as just told, light has nothing to do with darkness. Christ has nothing to do with those unrighteous work of the devil, can you say you know Him and abide in darkness and not walking as He walked? If we say that we are the temple of God, does that temple in us have anything to do with idols, serving coveteousness? What is told is to stop those actions, or the wrath of God comes on children who are not obedient keeping His words. e walked in them, now we say we walk in Christ and abide in Him and Him in us?



Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:



7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.



2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?



15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?



16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.



Let all filthiness and evil be put away from us, and to be kind one to another, forgiving the ones who still walk in these ways...



Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:



32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.



To indeed walk as Christ walked, it is told to walk in love(this prophetic thinks he can undo everything but has all down on his head) Christ loved us, we follow His love, and fornication and uncleaness and idolatry with is coveteousness is not named once among saints. Neiher foolishness or filthiness, as no whooremonger unclean person coveteous man who is an idolater(prophetic confesses he is these things) has any inheritence in the Kingdom of Christ and God(although he tells u to seek rewards and crowns) let not that deceiver deceive you with vain words, for all those who walk in them and do not walk as Christ walked(as he concludes his on opinion that it is impossible and all the words here are vanity)� but the wrath of God comes on all who believe they can do them and be forgiven, so do not be parttakers with them, as now if you want to be light in the Lord, WALK |AS CHILDREN of LIGHT(and walk in LOVE) as somtimes before you were in darkness hating your brother and stumbling, but none occasion of stumbling in the one who walks in love and light and loves his brother. For the fruit of the spirit is what? In ALL goodness, no badness,



Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.



3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;



4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.



5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.



6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.



7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.



8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:



9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)





Teaching to keep the commandments of Christ and turning back to say it is impossible.



Jesus teaches us that all the law is fulfilled in loving our neighbour as ourselves. His commandmernts are not grevous, they are easy to walk in love, as love works no ill to your neighbour.



1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.



Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.



Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.



9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.



10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.





The preaching without contention is Christ and Him crucified, when it is only on seeking what we receive, that preaching was never done..



Philippians 1:16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:



1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;



1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.





"**SALVATION IS 100% FREE**







Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and **LOVE** of God our Savior appeared , He saved us, **NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE**, but because of **HIS MERCY**!!







John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, **NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION** or a husband's will but, **BORN OF GOD**!!"



Saved us from foolish disobedience, hating our brother, and the opinion is we cannot walk in love as Jesus walked in light, which is still foolishness, and for us to still be in our filth shows we received nothing.





To all who received |Him, and BORN OF GOD. To include scripture of being born again, which is all old passed away, and if we are born of the spirit let us walk in the spirit, as that which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit, is spirit. How is anything completely changed and now spirit, if it has changed nothing and walks in the flesh the same as before?



Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.



John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.



1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.





"Adam7777 believes that if you even commit one sin or don't bear any fruit that you will **LOSE YOUR SALVATION**??







While prophetic7744 believes that those who **FALL AWAY** and never produce any **FRUIT** were never saved in the first place and are **CUT OFF**!!"





Does it matter what I believe. I believe the ones who fall away were never saved. Regarding commit sin..



Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Luke 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.



James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:



9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.



10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.



11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.



12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.



13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.



Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.



2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

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ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE
Posted : 13 Nov, 2018 06:40 AM

**THE TOPIC IS THE INTERPRETATION OF THE FOLLOWING WORDS OF GOD**:



John 15:1-3: Jesus says, "I am the True Vine, and My Father is the gardener. He **CUTS OFF** (OR TAKES AWAY} every branch in Me that bears **NO FRUIT**, while every branch that does **BEAR FRUIT** He prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You {**WHO BEAR FRUIT**} are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you!"



John 15:16: Jesus says, You did not choose Me, but I **CHOSE YOU**and appointed you so that you might bear **FRUIT**--**FRUIT** that will last!!



Adam7777 believes that if you even commit one sin or don't bear any fruit that you will **LOSE YOUR SALVATION**?? Adam7777 also teaches that you do not receive any **ETERNAL HEAVENLY REWARDS** for your faithful loving service and fruit.



While prophetic7744 believes that those who **FALL AWAY** and never produce any **FRUIT** were never saved in the first place and are **CUT OFF**!!



While gracenotworkssaves believes that those who profess to be saved and **FALL AWAY** should not be **CUT OFF**??



Matthew 13:20-23: Jesus says, "The seed falling on the rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it **UNFRUITFUL**. But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hear the and understands it. this is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown!!"



Ephesians 2:8,9: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, through **FAITH**�and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**�not by works. So that no one can boast. For we are **GOD'S WORKMANSHIP**, created in Christ Jesus to do **GOOD WORKS**, which God prepared in advance for us to do!



Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB** but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and **KING** of kings and with Him will be His **CALLED** **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!! {Riding on white horses right after the Marriage Feast of the **LAMB** as per Revelation 19:7-20!}



And so those who are **CALLED** **CHOSEN and **FAITHFUL** produce **MUCH FRUIT**!! And those who are not **CALLED** CHOSEN** AND **FAITHFUL** will **FALL AWAY and **BE CUT OFF**!!



More Satanic quotes by Adam7777:



"The ones born of God therefore, **SIN NOT**"{???} Adam7777 also claims that we are completely sanctified and **NO LONGER SIN** the very moment we are saved.{???}



Joyce Meyer also claims that she **NO LONGER SINS** in this taped message:



�I�m going to tell you something folks, I didn�t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn�t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that�s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I�m righteous and I can�t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time � All I was ever taught to say was, �I�m a poor, miserable sinner.� I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen?�



**HOWEVER, WE ARE COMMANDED TO **WALK AS JESUS WALKED** {SEE JOHN 2:6} AND TO BE HOLY **AS GOD IS HOLY** {SEEI PETER 1;15,16], WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO WE SIN DAILY. AND WE SHOULD **DAILY** ASK GOD TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND PURIFY US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS**!!



I John 2:6: Whoever claims to live in Him **MUST** live as Jesus did!!



The following Words of God are not found in the Bibles of Joyce Meyer and Adam7777:



I John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin {Like Joyce Meyer and Adam7777}, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. **IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NOT SINNED WE MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A LIAR AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US**!!



Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach as to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us!'"



Matthew 18:21,22: Peter asked Jesus, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive **MY BROTHER** who sins against me?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times but seventy seven times!" {77 times can also be translated 70 times 7 or 490 times!!}



**IF WE DO NOT ASK THE FATHER IN JESUS NAME TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND REPENT OF OUR SINS GOD WILL DISCIPLINE US**!!



Revelation 3:19: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and repent!!"



Hebrews 12:5-11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He chastens **EVERYONE** {Like Peter and David} He accepts as a son! Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? IF YOU ARE NOT DISCIPLINED AND **EVERYONE** UNDERGOES DISCIPLINE--THEN YOU ARE NOT LEGITMATE--NOT TRUE SONS AND DAUGHTERS AT ALL**!! Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it!



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Posted : 25 Nov, 2018 10:51 AM

When we accuse the Holy Apostles of being sinners, to excuse ourselves for being sinners, is that right of us? The Apostles are given the mystery's of God, accusers are not, they might seem as deceivers but the Holy Apostles are not, it is the false accusers that securely are, who give evil report against the ones who are right in the Lord..2 Corinthians 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;



Peter the steward of the Lord was found faithful not unfaithful, and no man has right to judge who the Lord has approved, proving their falseness and we can recover the truth easily enough..



1 Corinthians 4: Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.



2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.



3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.



Peter was to be blamed for what he had been doing, (not accused of sinning) Peter withdrew from the Gentiles company fearing the Jews disapproval, because clearly as yet, the Lord had not shown to Peter and to all people, how the Gentiles are not cleaned, and there is no need in the Jewish law to any longer separate from men who are non Jews, ( they were also not told as yet about the question of circumcision.) Peter clearly is NOT a sinner of the Gentiles. Peter knew these things as the Lord had revealed this to him also and Apostle Paul clarified the situation before the believers who had to learn this mystery from the Lord..



Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.



12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.



13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.



14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?



15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,



Before Apostle Paul was making clear the wrong Peter and the others had done through no revelation from the Lord, Peter had this vision from the Lord, of God cleaning the Gentiles, and Peter understood the vision as the Gentiles were then sent to Peter to preach to them and Peter confessed his own lack of previous understanding of how it was UNLAWFUL for Peter a Jew, to keep company with one of another nation, but God showed Peter that no man is unclean any longer, but in every nation, he that fears God and works righteousness is accepted with Him, Peter had kept that law for the Jews but found it impossible to keep when men of all nations want to hear about Christ from Peter and are called to Christ in union with Apostle Peter but the believing Pharisee Jews did not approve(it is the Pharisee believers that wanted circumcision for Gentiles, not Peter as accuser says)



Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.



16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.



17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,



Acts 10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,



31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.



32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.



33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.



Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.



Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I� PERCEIVE that God is no respecter of persons:



35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.



Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.



Before the sinners are converted, and are erring from the truth, they need to confess to hide the multitude of sins. After converted and those sins are hidden, it is ridiculous to continue the process as if nothing was achieved or changed, pure wicked reasoning that has no place in the daylight.



James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.



17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.



18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.



19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;



20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.



As for repenting, of course some have not repented yet, others had repented, they kept the word of Christ, they kept His patience, they did not need to repent or would have been told to, but told to keep what they had through what they had done..



Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.



9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.



10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.



11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.



These others had chastening because they needed to repent, they had kept nothing, and SEE, we are judged as succeeding or failing according to our works, needing to repent or we HAVE REPENTED to receive salvation..



Revelation 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.



16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.



17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:



18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.



19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.



Are we CLEAR what repentence is? It is not to be repented of. Repenting is clearing of ourselves of the wrong, it is fear of the Lord to not repeat, indignation against the devil to sin not, with great desire and zeal to follow the Lord rightly in all things, be ye angry and sin not, let all evil be put away completely, be with indignation and wrath against the devil who wants us to die in sins, be kind and forgive who still does the wrong, because Christ has forgiven us we do not need to pray any longer for it but need to walk in it..



2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.



11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.



Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:



27 Neither give place to the devil.



28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.



29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.



30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.



31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:



32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

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ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE
Posted : 30 Sep, 2019 12:19 AM

Ath his time, purple color was taken from a special sea snail.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_purple).

That could have several nuances of red!

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