Do you realize that the earth really is flat? It is not round, like a globe.
I am not joking.
There is no outer space. Instead there is a firmament above the earth (Genesis 1.6-8) which God created, and above that firmament there is still water (Psalms 148.4). So there is no going beyond that FIRM-a-ment - that is impossible - as it is like "molten looking glass" (Job 37.18).
Outer space is a big deception, to provide cover for the alien/demon invasion that will come, with Satan presenting himself as Christ returned in the last great deception, before the true return of our Lord the Son of God. If everybody knew there was no outer space, they would not be deceived by this evil invasion, but now they will. This is the "strong delusion" that God has sent, and those who do not have a "love for the truth" will fall for it.
Think for yourself! Be critical of the things of scientism! Question everything those people say. And do not believe me either - check this for yourself. Test the globe. Do experiments, as I have done. Once you see this deception for what it is, your life will never be the same!
The Globe theory (that the earth is a globe) was popularized by Copernicus in 1543, and it quickly became a main topic of interest among the Jesuits, who even have a telescope in Arizona called "Lucifer". You cannot make this up. This goes beyond anything you could ever have imagined - at least it did for me.
The Globe theory, the Big Bang and Evolution are the three great deceptions in the end time, in my opinion.
These deceptions remove the Center of Reality far away from this earth, to a place infinitely far away - in the center of the Universe - and this has a very negative impact on the human consciousness and the experience of meaning in this world. 99.9% of the people today have fallen for this great deception, but now things are changing. Hundreds of thousands are waking up, and this will only increase in the coming years. Prepare for the end time!
The earth is flat, and the Bible confirms that it is "immovable", that God created it and it is kept in existence by His great Power. The earth does not spin at 1000 miles per hour - have you ever felt it? No. Have you ever seen the earth as a globe? No - you only believed what you were told. All your ideas about a globe is second-hand, and it is not backed by the Word of God.
In the end there will be three great messages to warn the people, and the first message is "Give glory to God! Worship him who created heaven and earth, and the fountains of water" Do you get the idea? The first message is about this earth and its creation.
The globe/big bang/evolution is the greatest deception imaginable, and the latter two deceptions totally depend on the globe model. Check out NASA - there never was a moon landing. This has been debunked a long time ago, and there are hundreds of proofs that the US faked the moon landings in 1969-1972.
During the 6 Apollo trips by NASA to the moon in that periode, 24 people were close to or on the moon, and of these 12 allegedly walked on the moon. ("fake 24 Elders") First there were 2 successful flights, numbers 11 and 12. Then Apollo 13 failed - as this is the mystical number 13. (Apollo 13 was launched at 13:13, on April 11. 1970 - interesting time of day.) Then 14, 15, 16 and 17 were successful. Notice: 2 ok, 1 fail, 4 ok - again we see the 1+2+4=7 equation from the Creation story and all 7-sequences in the Bible.
Apollo? Why that name? Because it means "the Destroyer" - Apollyon is the name of Satan, check Revelation 9.1-11. This is the "abomination of desolation", the destruction of faith and science in the end times. These three deceptions denies and removes God as the Creator.
Easy, no travel actually happens on a lineer line. North is used to orient and re-orient the vehicle as any pilot will tell you. North being the centre of a circle this means travelling magnetic east will make you go in a circle whether the earth is a disc or a globe, works for either. Remember there is no compass that directly points to south, south is merely the exact opposite of north which means it fits the disc model as well.
The way everything can be made to fit either model is what is fun about this... I just sit and eat my popcorn for now.
Who cares, my salvation does not depend upon the shape of this planet, my salvation depends upon the Death, burial, and resurrection of the Messiah Yeshua Ha Meshiach, or as the christians say Jesus the Messiah.
Now have fun with that while eating your somewhat round popcorn, LOL.
It is completely obvious that the continuous 1,000 year reign mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 is for **24 ELDERS ** on **THRONES** and **MARTYRS ONLY** according to God's Word in:
Revelation 20:4,5: "I saw [24]**THRONES** on which were seated those who had been given authority to JUDGE and I saw the SOULS of those who had been beheaded {Martyred} because of their testimony for Jesus {*NT MARTYRS*} and because of the word of God {*OT MARTYRS*}. They had not worshiped the beast and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands {*TRIBULATION MARTYRS*}. They came to life {*AWOKE FROM SLEEP IN CHRIST} and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead {Saints who were not martyrs or the 24 elders} did not **COME TO LIFE** until the thousand years were ended. {At the 2nd coming of Jesus} These could not be the lost since Rev 20:6,& 10 and Rev 21:8 state that on the Last Day the lost will suffer the **SECOND DEATH**!!
Rambo919: Easy, no travel actually happens on a lineer line. North is used to orient and re-orient the vehicle as any pilot will tell you. North being the centre of a circle this means travelling magnetic east will make you go in a circle whether the earth is a disc or a globe, works for either. Remember there is no compass that directly points to south, south is merely the exact opposite of north which means it fits the disc model as well.
The way everything can be made to fit either model is what is fun about this... I just sit and eat my popcorn for now.
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Flat earth model can't explain this though (can it?)
"The first surface circumnavigation via both the geographical Poles was achieved by Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles Burton (both UK) of the British Trans-Globe Expedition. They travelled south from Greenwich, London, UK on 2 September 1979, crossed the South Pole on 15 December 1980, the North Pole on 10 April 1982, and returned to Greenwich on 29 August 1982 after a 56,000 km (35,000 mile) journey.
Whether the earth is flat or round is if no value to anyone as Messiah still had to go to the cross to 'CARRY' the sins of every man, woman and child to be judged in His body.
Now then judge for yourselves which has importance, to know Messiah, or to know the shape of this planet; One leads to life, the other does not.
Stop being taken away from knowing Messiah by the arguements of the world.
People who are not interested in discussing the shape of the earth should maybe avoid posting in this thread! The subject title is 'The earth is really flat'.
Your understanding of Scripture is stillborn. You are reading ancient Jewish texts that speak from a concrete perspective according to their cultural understandings of the world around us.
Your entire position rests upon NASA lying about 100% of everything.
You also must accuse Jeff Williams, who is a Christian, of deliberately lying to everyone who knows him. He is an astronaut that has worked on the International Space Station. He provides many photos in a book that he wrote which he solely made to show God's creation to people from his perspective on the ISS.
Lastly, you all need to reconsider your ridiculous Futurist doctrines. Many are using a hyper-literal interpretation of Revelation in your polemic against Spherical Earth. "Stars", in Revelation, are not literal. These are Jewish metaphors, however, everyone in this thread is so infantile in their understanding that it didn't even occur to you.
Flat Earth is nonsense for gullible people to choke on.
