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Moonlight7

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Posted : 26 Oct, 2019 07:53 AM

What do you have in way of scripture to promote a woman in church.

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1Timothy 2:11-14

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Let a woman learn in silence and all submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first then Eve. And Adam was not deceived , but the woman being deceived , fell into transgression.

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 10:46 AM

The false “prophetic” thinks anyone who loves God’s law is teaching legalism under the law that Christ fulfilled.



Would someone please help Richard to “rightly divide the word” instead of condemning people who love it and rightly divide it.

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 11:31 AM

I agree with cupcake:



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Living under the Mosaic laws have been done away with. Jesus came to fullfil the law. Man couldn't keep the law, that was evident from the old testament.

We live under Grace ! And yes a woman can teach she just is not suppose to be head Leader over a man.

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 11:36 AM

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefastness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;



1Timothy 2:9. KJV





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This scripture can be misunderstood as well. It doesn't mean a total ban on jewelry or braided hair , rather Paul was expressing caution in a society where such things were a sign of extravagant luxury and proud Personal display.

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 11:43 AM

For those wanting to discuss other topics rather than a woman teaching !



Please start your Own thread topics and Argue there !



God does not like ugly and arguing .



Everyone don't have to agree! Just post relevant scripture!



Seriously.

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Moonlight7

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 11:50 AM

It's No surprise. Few members here post on Biblical forum !



Argumentative...and Rudeness. On here..

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 12:32 PM

Little David quotes 2 Timothy 3:16,17 and claims this allows him to teach all OT laws???



2 Timothy 3:16,17: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.



However, what is the OT command concerning *VOWS* and *OATHS*??



Numbers 30:2: Moses said, "This is what the Lord commands: When a man makes a *VOW* to the Lord or takes an *OATH* to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said!"



What are the NT commands concerning making *VOWS* and **OATHS*??



Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the **EVIL ONE**!!"



James 5:12: "ABOVE ALL, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or **YOU WILL BE CONDEMNED**.!!"



And so Jesus says thart if you keep the OT Law found in Numbers 30:2 above **YOU WILL BE CONDEMNED** since you are obeying the **EVIL ONE**!!



Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."



This was completely changed by these NT commands by Jesus and you are sinning if you obey the above law in Exodus 21:23-25 above!!



Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"



And in the Old testament there were a few woman teachers that taught God's Word to men while this is a terrible sin in the New Testament!!



Timothy 2:11: A **WOMAN** should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a **WOMEN** **TO TEACH** or to assume authority **OVER A MAN**! {ACTS 18:26 is the **ONLY EXCEPTION**!!}

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 01:23 PM

Prophetic move on !

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 02:20 PM

I’ve made my stance on the Mosaic law quite clear on a number of occasions.



Obviously the believers to whom Paul has addressed his letters are not under the supervision of the Mosaic law.



Perhaps overlooking the obvious is a “prophetic” quirk.

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 03:04 PM

Another ridiculous quote by Little David:



"Obviously the believers to whom Paul has addressed his letters are not under the supervision of the Mosaic law."



Actually there are many quotes shown below about no longer being under the supervision of OT Law were from Paul's letter to the **HEBREWS** as shown below and most of the believers in Galatians were also **HEBREWS**



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"



Galatians 2:14-16,20,21; 3:2,5,10-13;23-25: Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because **BY OBSERVING THE LAW NO ONE WILL BE JUSTIFIED.!"



Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"



Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!



Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"



Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!



Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."



Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE, and it is founded on better promises.



Colossians 2:16,17: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a *SHADOW* of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ!!!



All of the OT Sabbath laws have been eliminated. Both Jesus and His Father have declared all foods are now clean. All of the OT sacrificial and temple laws have been eliminated. All of the stoning to death laws for breaking the law have been eliminated. All of the laws concerning an eye for an eye and making oaths have been eliminated. Circumcision laws have been eliminated. Loving one another as Jesus loved us has replaced loving one another as you love yourself.

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Posted : 31 Oct, 2019 03:23 PM

Prophetic calls not being under the supervision of the law is a ridicules idea just before he proceeds to support the idea!!



Intriguing!!



Prophetic still doesn’t get it. Usually different words mean different things. Elementary child know this.



For example, Obsolescence in is ***not even a synonym*** of elimination.



Apparently Prophetic knows more than the Holy Spirit because he keeps trying to improve on the language the Holy Spirit has inspired.

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