Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 29 Apr, 2014 04:25 PM
First off, biglion44, I want to thank you for sharing your story. I felt compassion for your situation. It does explain your obvious bitterness. However, I want to ask you one thing. As a follower of Jesus, did you truthfully demonstrate Christ's Spirit of gentleness and tenderness towards your wife when instructing her or did you demand her to submit?
The Bible does say for wives to submit to their husbands but it also says, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her" (Ephesians 5:25).
Jesus laid down His life for us, though we, as unbelievers, did not love Him. We did not deserve such love, but God loved us anyways despite our rebelliousness to His ways. That is how we are to love our wives. Whether they are submissive or rebellious, God commands the man to love his wife the same way as Christ loved us.
The Bible also says, "Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them" (Colossians 3:19). It is easy for a man to be bitter towards his wife. I understand where you are coming from. But God commands us not to be bitter toward them.
If we husbands would seek to be gentle like Christ, I do not believe we would be hearing as many complaints about unsubmissive wives.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 11 Apr, 2014 09:32 PM
The following is an email I received recently from a woman who was not only abused by her husband, but also by the legalistic church she attended. I have her permission to post her story here for the benefit of those who may be suffering under similar circumstances.
My divorce story is this... I became born again when I was 27. I was attending a very small church along with my boyfriend who had professed Christ as his Savior the same night as me. We then were baptized and several months later married, and all the while attending the church where we became born again.
Our marriage was a nightmare! The physical and emotional abuse started the night of our wedding. I think I was in shock. UGH, such a long story of details that I don't really need to go into. Anyway, I truly, truly believe I had been brainwashed at this legalistic horrible church. I went to the pastor crying one night asking him what I'm doing wrong as a Christian wife because my husband beats me, belittles me etc. etc. My pastor's response was, "Well, you just aren't being submissive enough."
I felt horrible about my Christian walk and kept asking the Lord to forgive me and help me be a better wife to my husband. So I stuck it out for two years without ever telling anyone (mind you I was raised in a very loving environment where my husband's actions would never have been accepted or tolerated� hence why I say I was brainwashed). I truly thought I was a horrible wife, and if I just was a better Christian and better wife, my husband would be happy with me.
I could go on and on but after four miscarriages we did end up having a precious, beautiful daughter. She was a one year old when I realized he was going to treat her the same way he was treating me. I moved out, began going to another church, never wanting a divorce, kept praying and hoping things would change. My husband, in the meantime, became VERY GOOD friends with one of my girlfriends from that small church. My husband came to me and said since I left him, took his child away from him, that his church said he was free to remarry and divorce me with a clear conscience (mind you, I never even considered another man let alone date while I was married, I wanted my marriage to work).
O my goodness, I could go on and on, but it's not necessary at this point. So, after 21 years of being single and raising my beautiful daughter all by myself, my ex did go on to marry my girlfriend and disowned his daughter with me.
Wow, sorry if I'm getting so carried away! My point is.... through my Christian walk I have heard sooooo much nonsense (as well as sooooo much truth). My only answer is that I truly get on my knees, seek Christ, study His Word, and know that when I am in His will and walking closely with Him, He will guide me and teach me exactly how, what, where, etc. I should be, as painful as it may be at times. But I must trust the Holy Spirit. Man may lead me astray.... God won't. I CAN THANKFULLY SAY THAT WITH 100% CONVICTION!
So, praise God that He has opened your eyes to what His truth is. Thank you! May you be richly blessed!
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 31 Jan, 2014 05:04 PM
JesusLives4Ever says, "I am sorry but mercy doesn't triumph over judgment! If God overlooks sins then He is not a just and righteous God!"
The Word of God says, "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" James 2:13
JesusLives4Ever says, "Jesus said accept for fornication what does fornication mean? he didn't say adultery"
Jesus said, "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
Sadly, the only thing you got right in all your four postings is your username.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 2 Dec, 2013 08:01 PM
READERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE: The man who called himself IWalkAlone, and who was exposed on this thread as being the previous BobBobbins, has just been BANNED off Christian Dating For Free for being a fraud.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 1 Dec, 2013 06:30 PM
Singer4u says: "I also request that you show myself and every other viewer on this forum where IWA lied about his identity"
IWalkAlone says: "Proven to be a fraud? Really? When was this proven? Lied about my true identity? Really? when did I do this? caught in lies about my identity? Really?
IWalkAlone says, "Again, chooses to sow discord rather than engage in honest dialogue".
My response: "honest dialogue?" with someone who is a proven fraud? How hypocritical you are BobBobbins/IWalkAlone. Pretending to be somebody else. What a lie !!!!! What a deception! What a fraud!!!! This is the only dialogue that you will get from me.
The EVIDENCE:
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 01:52 PM by GodsJude:
"See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 02:50 PM by IWalk Alone accusing Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins:
"Jude --You are disruptive and contentious. Please let the men hash out the Scripture.
The Ninth Commandment is found in Exodus 20:16: �You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:36 PM by Gods Jude:
"IWA...I bear NO False witness about who you were nor who you are...you may deny it all you like...it doesn't make the Truth of my statement any less TRUTHFUL."
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:47 PM by IWalkAlone again denying the accusation that he really is BobBobbins:
"Jude --As far as I am concerned, there is NO truth in you."
Posted : 18 Nov, 2013 10:19 PM by IWalkAlone making an unintended blooper:
"Teach --On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 01:53 PM by teach_ib revealing the truth about the man who calls himself IWalkAlone:
"First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM by IWalkAlone:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Posted: 23 Nov, 2013 10:30 PM by IWalkAlone admitting for the very first time on this site that he is in fact BobBobbins:
"Paul and Teach --Notice that Paul's "evidence" shows me admitting who I am -- not denying it. This was my own public admission. Far from denying it or hiding it, I admit to it myself."
On 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM, the man who calls himself IWalkAlone says:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Paul writes: Folks can you believe it? This man who calls himself, IWalkAlone, who has been portraying himself as a man of truth is now proven to be a fraud and a hypocrite. On Nov.16, IWalkAlone accuses Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins, quoting Exodus 20:16 in his defence. It was not until Nov. 23 when IWalkAlone actually admits that he is in fact BobBobbins. For a full 7 days, he has lived the lie of deception and on Nov.19, while still living this lie, IWalkAlone accused teach_ib of being "dishonest". Well did Jesus call you Pharisees�HYPOCRITES!!
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, YOU HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY ON THIS FORUM.
Thank you Gods Jude and teach_ib for exposing the real identity of the man who calls himself, IWalkAlone. So we have the banned BobBobbins returning under a different name. What an absolute fraud you are IWalkAlone/BobBobbins. You think by hiding behind the picture of some bearded man, that somehow you would not be found out. Well, you have been found out�.
GODSJUDE INSIGHT: "See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here."
The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist". When forced to prove your claim that I am a legalist, you supplied a non-Biblical explanation of legalist. "
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time. �As for a non-Biblical explanation, I provided the definition I used in referring to you and Singer on the way you were presenting your views. �I don't believe the term "legalist" is in the Bible so any description would fundamentally be non-Biblical. �Whether you agree with my definition or description or impression of you is not relevant."
BobBobbins, who now calls himself IWalkAlone, accuses Paul with this statement: "Here, he is promoting another devilish idea that a woman should instruct a man."
Paul's response: devilish idea? Really? Have you not read� "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgement" (Judges 4::4-5). Here is a woman, chosen by God, instructing men, and you, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, say it's a "devilish idea".
Well did Jesus call you Pharisees for who you really are�hypocrites. For you feign to be a God-fearing man to the reader while at the same time mocking God's idea of choosing a woman (Deborah) to instruct men, calling it a "devilish idea". You ignore the Word of God in Acts 21:9, Joel 2:28-29, and Acts 2:17-18 where God says "Your daughters will prophesy�. and on My maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they shall prophesy", and instead you concentrate on one single verse, "And I do not suffer a woman to teach" (1Timothy 2:12). Hypocrite!!! You blind guide. You ignore the weightier evidence in scripture that God uses women to instruct men today while you make up your own doctrine.
In regards to my article, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you have ignored and mocked Jesus' very own words in Matthew 19:10-12, and concentrated on verse 9 alone. You hypocrite. The same Jesus who spoke verse 9 also spoke verse 10, 11 and 12.
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying was Jesus speaking of? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce. Your issue, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, is not with me but with the Word of God. And just as the Pharisees hated Jesus because He did not fit into their man-made doctrines, so you do the same.
One thing is for certain, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you do not speak for God. The very scripture you quoted now becomes your condemnation: "To the law and to the testimony: if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).
For those readers who are not aware of what IWalkAlone posted here under the name BobBobbins, let me refresh your memory:
BobBobbins says, "Now please be sure to issue your standard verbose response to confuse all the readers.".. the only confusion the readers have here is in your hypocrisy.
BobBobbins says, "Also, don't forget your standard "thank you .. yada yada yada..".post to Teach_iib."..as you wish. But the post on "works" is for the benefit of all the readers. The Word of God speaks for itself.
Paul says, "BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous, Teach ib and I are one in spirit. "
This statement is so true! You see Bob, that's the beauty of being one in spirit with God's Spirit of mercy and grace. We are able to love one another and still hold different views. I am quite sure teach ib and I will not agree on everything�it really doesn't matter. But what we do agree on is this: that God is "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin" (Exodus 34:6-7a). That is God's very nature, and He wants that in His children.
You see, I was once a Pharisee, a legalist, a stone thrower, just like you and Singer, until God opened my eyes and showed me His nature of mercy and grace. I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they were physically beaten daily by their husbands. I began to show mercy to divorced women whose husbands were unrepentant pornographers who were guilty of committing adultery in their mind. And I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they had been mentally abused by their husbands until they prayed for death to escape. I threw down my stones and started showing mercy to these women, instead of beating on them with God's Word.
Now you may be wondering, why don't I show mercy to you guys? The answer is very simple: "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy" (James 2:13).
BobBobbins/IWalkAlone says, "Who is the liar here?" . . .YOU ARE!!!! The readers only have to read this post to see what kind of a liar you really are. In one breath, you offer an olive branch to me. In the next breath you make an accusation against me. In one breath you say, "Happy Father's Day." In the next breath, you say, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective." You HYPOCRITE!!! Do you think the readers are that gullible not to see your deceitful ways? PRETENDING to want peace and spitting out your poisonous words at the same time. You, BobBobbins, and Singer4u,have been exposed as frauds, and it is obvious to everyone that you are desperately trying to keep your sinking ship of legalism afloat. But I have news for you. It will not stand against the Word of God!
BobBobbins says, "Paul and Teach_ib can not even agree between themselves what the Biblical grounds for divorce are. Paul holds one standard and teach_ib holds another"
BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous. Teach ib and I are one in spirit. She knows and loves the God of mercy and grace, as I do, and is known by Him. And you would do well to hold your tongue against the daughter of the King. God will not hold you guiltless!
BobBobbins quotes God's word, Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Exactly, all the righteous requirements of the law ARE ALREADY FULFILLED in HIM. That righteousness is not based on you keeping the letter of the law, BUT IN ACCEPTING HIS RIGHTEOUNESS OVER YOURS. I will take the liberty to add your names to the following scripture:
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (BobBobbins and Singer4u) is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For CHRIST is the END of the law to everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).
BobBobbins says, "If this is true, Jesus was the most shining example of a legalist." Hardly. Jesus wasn't a hypocrite, never condemned anyone, and was always showing mercy. You, BobBobbins and Singer4u, do not even know what spirit you are of.
BobBobbins says, "Happy Father's Day!" . . . "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective" . . .Hmmm . . . For some reason, after looking at your hypocritical words, I don't believe you are sincere. I wonder why.
BobBobbins says, "I truly hope that at some point you will lay aside your hatred and your anger" . . . I'm sorry to disappoint you BobBobbins. I have nether anger nor hatred toward Singer or you. I do however feel sorry for you both that in your zealousness to keep the letter of the law, you have missed God's mercy.
BobBobbins says, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective. I have proven this over and over for days" . . .the only thing you have proven to the readers and myself is that my article is correct and that it exposed two modern-day Pharisees who are legalists and stone-throwers, namely yourself and Singer4u. And for that I rejoice.
BobBobbins says, "Did I make any comments anywhere about what a woman should or should not wear?" No, but we are all waiting. For you quote the Word of God in a legalistic manner. You quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "Where is this verse in the Bible that states these as exceptions?" (read above and below)
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11)
"neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks" (Ephesians 5:4). And where in the Bible, BobBobbins does it say when humorous talk becomes foolish talk and joking becomes coarse jesting? Your interpretation of foolish talk will no doubt be different from mine. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience when we step out of line.
"in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (1Timothy 2:9-10).
Now, BobBobbins, do tell all the women on this site what constitutes modest apparel . . .a dress down to the floor, a dress down to their ankles, or a dress going 1 foot 6 inches past the knees. Now tell them to throw out their jewellery and their gold wedding band and their diamond engagement ring as women who profess godliness. And also supply your address and phone number, so that they can contact you and give you a piece of their mind.
There are no exact details given in scripture for what constitutes modest apparel. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience as individuals when we step out of line.
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "NOTICE: Does he accept a truce? Does he offer forgiveness? Does he show any humility whatsoever? Does he offer his own apology?? What does he do? He demands that Singer must bow to his terms in order to receive the kingdom ( Paul's respect)"
Peter denied Jesus publicly 3 times. Jesus demanded Peter confess Him publicly 3 times.(John 21:15-17) Singer4u maligned me publicly. He needs to make a public apology. I was testing Singer4u to see if his apology was sincere. And just like your phony olive-branch offering, BobBobbins, the readers soon discovered the truth.
BobBobbins says, "This is an attempt to build an honest understanding through extension of an olive branch." Then BobBobbins follows with this statement: "Now he (Paul) takes a most haughty and prideful position - he can not be bothered to even address such lowly and ridiculous people such as Singer and I" . . . all I can say is you have a funny way of extending an olive branch. Perhaps you meant poison ivy?
BobBobbins says, "He does not say that I have misinterpreted the word of God." (you have) "but merely his articles. However, he does not show how I have done so." . . .really?
BobBobbins and Singer4u. There's really nothing more to be said to you that has not already been said. So I will continue to repeat it until you hopefully get the message.
So BobBobbins and Singer4u, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your accusations are unfounded and your interpretations of my article incorrect. Stone throwers all have something in common: They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. They boast in the keeping of the letter of the law while ignoring the weightier matters of justice, mercy and faith. And besides all this, they have one other notable characteristic . . . they are hypocrites. Matthew 23:23-28.
I have been FALSELY accused by you both, implying that I said Jesus sinned. I never said Jesus sinned. YOU DID! You made the ASSUMPTION that Jesus would have sinned if He had broken the Sabbath--I DID NOT. All I said was Jesus broke the Sabbath. Then you drew out your proverbial stones and said the following:
BobBobbins says, "Jesus never broke the sabbath. If he had done so, he would not have been able to fulfill the law. Your salvation could not have occurred. I am not sure where you get such ridiculous ideas. That is completely absurd and totally false."
My response: Absurd and totally false? . . .Really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Singer4u says, "Paul and Goldenfaith both said in their writings on this forum that Yahushua broke Sabbath. That is impossible! You two should know better than that and to say it is total heresy!!! YOU ARE SAYING HE SINNED!"
My response: heresy? . . .really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
It is very clear in the Word of God that Jesus BROKE the Sabbath. It also says in the Word of God that Jesus NEVER sinned. I have no problem with both scriptures. It is you, Singer4u and BobBobbins, who have exalted yourselves above the Word of God to add your own interpretation to John 5:18. You both claim that Jesus could not have broken the Sabbath. Since when does your word override God's Word? You claim to be defenders of the Word, yet you are woefully ignorant of it.
"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, 'Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'"
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
"how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
"Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
"Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
"But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would have not condemned the guiltless.
"For the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:2-8)
Oh yes, Jesus broke the Sabbath, but He never sinned. He was WORKING on the Sabbath healing people, but He never sinned, for He was doing exactly what the Father told Him to do. JESUS IS LORD even of the Sabbath.
And now in regards to Singer4u and BobBobbins adamant stand on the reasons for divorce. Both of you have ignored Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11:
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'"
You both ignore Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11 and quote only Matthew 19:9. Hypocrites! Is Jesus' Word spoken in verse 11 any less anointed than verse 9? You blind guides, you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. Jesus said, ALL CANNOT ACCEPT the saying that fornication is the only reason for divorce, 'but only those to whom it has been given.'"
So Singer4u and BobBobbins accept that fornication is the only reason for divorce. Good for you. That's between you and God. Jesus said "ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS SAYING." And whether you like it or not, Singer4u and BobBobbins, the LORD JESUS makes it clear that He accepts other believers who have views on divorce contrary to yours.
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins writes: "I have been encouraged by others who care about me to walk away from this thread." �sounds like good advice.
Singer, you quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents
Singer4u says, "Marriage is a covenant made with yahushua and with another." Indeed it is.
Singer4u, did you make a vow before God on your wedding day that you would love your wife "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, forsaking all others, until death do you part"? Did you at any time while you were married to your wife look on another woman to lust after her? Then you also have committed adultery according to Jesus' Word. "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You vowed before God that you would be faithful to her. You have broken that vow. So, if you really want to live by the letter, you are as guilty as your wife.
Singer4u says: "I kept my vows and no as I told you on previous posts never lusted in my heart after another"
Paul's response: But the Word of God says, "Most men will proclaim each his own goodness, but who can find a faithful man?" (Proverbs 20:6). According to the Word of God, Singer, you're a liar. You come on here in self-righteous piety and hypocrisy, condemning your wife and others for committing adultery when, according to Jesus, you are guilty of committing adultery yourself. That's why the stone throwers could not cast a stone at the woman caught in adultery�they were as guilty as she.
Singer4u says, "hear that paul! Don't judge the person judge the actions" �Thank you�I already have. Read above and below.
Singer4u, you defend IWalkAlone/Bob Bobbins, even though he was proven to be a fraud, having lied about his true identity. He was and is living the lie, while at the same time passing himself off as a man of truth. That's called hypocrisy. He has lost all credibility and anyone who defends him is like him.
"Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" (Amos 3:3)
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 1 Dec, 2013 07:32 AM
Singer4u says: "I also request that you show myself and every other viewer on this forum where IWA lied about his identity"
IWalkAlone says: "Proven to be a fraud? Really? When was this proven? Lied about my true identity? Really? when did I do this? caught in lies about my identity? Really?
IWalkAlone says, "Again, chooses to sow discord rather than engage in honest dialogue".
My response: "honest dialogue?" with someone who is a proven fraud? How hypocritical you are BobBobbins/IWalkAlone. Pretending to be somebody else. What a lie !!!!! What a deception! What a fraud!!!! This is the only dialogue that you will get from me.
The EVIDENCE:
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 01:52 PM by GodsJude:
"See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 02:50 PM by IWalk Alone accusing Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins:
"Jude --You are disruptive and contentious. Please let the men hash out the Scripture.
The Ninth Commandment is found in Exodus 20:16: �You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:36 PM by Gods Jude:
"IWA...I bear NO False witness about who you were nor who you are...you may deny it all you like...it doesn't make the Truth of my statement any less TRUTHFUL."
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:47 PM by IWalkAlone again denying the accusation that he really is BobBobbins:
"Jude --As far as I am concerned, there is NO truth in you."
Posted : 18 Nov, 2013 10:19 PM by IWalkAlone making an unintended blooper:
"Teach --On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 01:53 PM by teach_ib revealing the truth about the man who calls himself IWalkAlone:
"First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM by IWalkAlone:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Posted: 23 Nov, 2013 10:30 PM by IWalkAlone admitting for the very first time on this site that he is in fact BobBobbins:
"Paul and Teach --Notice that Paul's "evidence" shows me admitting who I am -- not denying it. This was my own public admission. Far from denying it or hiding it, I admit to it myself."
On 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM, the man who calls himself IWalkAlone says:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Paul writes: Folks can you believe it? This man who calls himself, IWalkAlone, who has been portraying himself as a man of truth is now proven to be a fraud and a hypocrite. On Nov.16, IWalkAlone accuses Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins, quoting Exodus 20:16 in his defence. It was not until Nov. 23 when IWalkAlone actually admits that he is in fact BobBobbins. For a full 7 days, he has lived the lie of deception and on Nov.19, while still living this lie, IWalkAlone accused teach_ib of being "dishonest". Well did Jesus call you Pharisees�HYPOCRITES!!
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, YOU HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY ON THIS FORUM.
Thank you Gods Jude and teach_ib for exposing the real identity of the man who calls himself, IWalkAlone. So we have the banned BobBobbins returning under a different name. What an absolute fraud you are IWalkAlone/BobBobbins. You think by hiding behind the picture of some bearded man, that somehow you would not be found out. Well, you have been found out�.
GODSJUDE INSIGHT: "See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here."
The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist". When forced to prove your claim that I am a legalist, you supplied a non-Biblical explanation of legalist. "
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time. �As for a non-Biblical explanation, I provided the definition I used in referring to you and Singer on the way you were presenting your views. �I don't believe the term "legalist" is in the Bible so any description would fundamentally be non-Biblical. �Whether you agree with my definition or description or impression of you is not relevant."
BobBobbins, who now calls himself IWalkAlone, accuses Paul with this statement: "Here, he is promoting another devilish idea that a woman should instruct a man."
Paul's response: devilish idea? Really? Have you not read� "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgement" (Judges 4::4-5). Here is a woman, chosen by God, instructing men, and you, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, say it's a "devilish idea".
Well did Jesus call you Pharisees for who you really are�hypocrites. For you feign to be a God-fearing man to the reader while at the same time mocking God's idea of choosing a woman (Deborah) to instruct men, calling it a "devilish idea". You ignore the Word of God in Acts 21:9, Joel 2:28-29, and Acts 2:17-18 where God says "Your daughters will prophesy�. and on My maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they shall prophesy", and instead you concentrate on one single verse, "And I do not suffer a woman to teach" (1Timothy 2:12). Hypocrite!!! You blind guide. You ignore the weightier evidence in scripture that God uses women to instruct men today while you make up your own doctrine.
In regards to my article, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you have ignored and mocked Jesus' very own words in Matthew 19:10-12, and concentrated on verse 9 alone. You hypocrite. The same Jesus who spoke verse 9 also spoke verse 10, 11 and 12.
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying was Jesus speaking of? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce. Your issue, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, is not with me but with the Word of God. And just as the Pharisees hated Jesus because He did not fit into their man-made doctrines, so you do the same.
One thing is for certain, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you do not speak for God. The very scripture you quoted now becomes your condemnation: "To the law and to the testimony: if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).
For those readers who are not aware of what IWalkAlone posted here under the name BobBobbins, let me refresh your memory:
BobBobbins says, "Now please be sure to issue your standard verbose response to confuse all the readers.".. the only confusion the readers have here is in your hypocrisy.
BobBobbins says, "Also, don't forget your standard "thank you .. yada yada yada..".post to Teach_iib."..as you wish. But the post on "works" is for the benefit of all the readers. The Word of God speaks for itself.
Paul says, "BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous, Teach ib and I are one in spirit. "
This statement is so true! You see Bob, that's the beauty of being one in spirit with God's Spirit of mercy and grace. We are able to love one another and still hold different views. I am quite sure teach ib and I will not agree on everything�it really doesn't matter. But what we do agree on is this: that God is "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin" (Exodus 34:6-7a). That is God's very nature, and He wants that in His children.
You see, I was once a Pharisee, a legalist, a stone thrower, just like you and Singer, until God opened my eyes and showed me His nature of mercy and grace. I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they were physically beaten daily by their husbands. I began to show mercy to divorced women whose husbands were unrepentant pornographers who were guilty of committing adultery in their mind. And I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they had been mentally abused by their husbands until they prayed for death to escape. I threw down my stones and started showing mercy to these women, instead of beating on them with God's Word.
Now you may be wondering, why don't I show mercy to you guys? The answer is very simple: "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy" (James 2:13).
BobBobbins/IWalkAlone says, "Who is the liar here?" . . .YOU ARE!!!! The readers only have to read this post to see what kind of a liar you really are. In one breath, you offer an olive branch to me. In the next breath you make an accusation against me. In one breath you say, "Happy Father's Day." In the next breath, you say, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective." You HYPOCRITE!!! Do you think the readers are that gullible not to see your deceitful ways? PRETENDING to want peace and spitting out your poisonous words at the same time. You, BobBobbins, and Singer4u,have been exposed as frauds, and it is obvious to everyone that you are desperately trying to keep your sinking ship of legalism afloat. But I have news for you. It will not stand against the Word of God!
BobBobbins says, "Paul and Teach_ib can not even agree between themselves what the Biblical grounds for divorce are. Paul holds one standard and teach_ib holds another"
BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous. Teach ib and I are one in spirit. She knows and loves the God of mercy and grace, as I do, and is known by Him. And you would do well to hold your tongue against the daughter of the King. God will not hold you guiltless!
BobBobbins quotes God's word, Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Exactly, all the righteous requirements of the law ARE ALREADY FULFILLED in HIM. That righteousness is not based on you keeping the letter of the law, BUT IN ACCEPTING HIS RIGHTEOUNESS OVER YOURS. I will take the liberty to add your names to the following scripture:
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (BobBobbins and Singer4u) is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For CHRIST is the END of the law to everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).
BobBobbins says, "If this is true, Jesus was the most shining example of a legalist." Hardly. Jesus wasn't a hypocrite, never condemned anyone, and was always showing mercy. You, BobBobbins and Singer4u, do not even know what spirit you are of.
BobBobbins says, "Happy Father's Day!" . . . "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective" . . .Hmmm . . . For some reason, after looking at your hypocritical words, I don't believe you are sincere. I wonder why.
BobBobbins says, "I truly hope that at some point you will lay aside your hatred and your anger" . . . I'm sorry to disappoint you BobBobbins. I have nether anger nor hatred toward Singer or you. I do however feel sorry for you both that in your zealousness to keep the letter of the law, you have missed God's mercy.
BobBobbins says, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective. I have proven this over and over for days" . . .the only thing you have proven to the readers and myself is that my article is correct and that it exposed two modern-day Pharisees who are legalists and stone-throwers, namely yourself and Singer4u. And for that I rejoice.
BobBobbins says, "Did I make any comments anywhere about what a woman should or should not wear?" No, but we are all waiting. For you quote the Word of God in a legalistic manner. You quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "Where is this verse in the Bible that states these as exceptions?" (read above and below)
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11)
"neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks" (Ephesians 5:4). And where in the Bible, BobBobbins does it say when humorous talk becomes foolish talk and joking becomes coarse jesting? Your interpretation of foolish talk will no doubt be different from mine. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience when we step out of line.
"in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (1Timothy 2:9-10).
Now, BobBobbins, do tell all the women on this site what constitutes modest apparel . . .a dress down to the floor, a dress down to their ankles, or a dress going 1 foot 6 inches past the knees. Now tell them to throw out their jewellery and their gold wedding band and their diamond engagement ring as women who profess godliness. And also supply your address and phone number, so that they can contact you and give you a piece of their mind.
There are no exact details given in scripture for what constitutes modest apparel. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience as individuals when we step out of line.
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "NOTICE: Does he accept a truce? Does he offer forgiveness? Does he show any humility whatsoever? Does he offer his own apology?? What does he do? He demands that Singer must bow to his terms in order to receive the kingdom ( Paul's respect)"
Peter denied Jesus publicly 3 times. Jesus demanded Peter confess Him publicly 3 times.(John 21:15-17) Singer4u maligned me publicly. He needs to make a public apology. I was testing Singer4u to see if his apology was sincere. And just like your phony olive-branch offering, BobBobbins, the readers soon discovered the truth.
BobBobbins says, "This is an attempt to build an honest understanding through extension of an olive branch." Then BobBobbins follows with this statement: "Now he (Paul) takes a most haughty and prideful position - he can not be bothered to even address such lowly and ridiculous people such as Singer and I" . . . all I can say is you have a funny way of extending an olive branch. Perhaps you meant poison ivy?
BobBobbins says, "He does not say that I have misinterpreted the word of God." (you have) "but merely his articles. However, he does not show how I have done so." . . .really?
BobBobbins and Singer4u. There's really nothing more to be said to you that has not already been said. So I will continue to repeat it until you hopefully get the message.
So BobBobbins and Singer4u, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your accusations are unfounded and your interpretations of my article incorrect. Stone throwers all have something in common: They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. They boast in the keeping of the letter of the law while ignoring the weightier matters of justice, mercy and faith. And besides all this, they have one other notable characteristic . . . they are hypocrites. Matthew 23:23-28.
I have been FALSELY accused by you both, implying that I said Jesus sinned. I never said Jesus sinned. YOU DID! You made the ASSUMPTION that Jesus would have sinned if He had broken the Sabbath--I DID NOT. All I said was Jesus broke the Sabbath. Then you drew out your proverbial stones and said the following:
BobBobbins says, "Jesus never broke the sabbath. If he had done so, he would not have been able to fulfill the law. Your salvation could not have occurred. I am not sure where you get such ridiculous ideas. That is completely absurd and totally false."
My response: Absurd and totally false? . . .Really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Singer4u says, "Paul and Goldenfaith both said in their writings on this forum that Yahushua broke Sabbath. That is impossible! You two should know better than that and to say it is total heresy!!! YOU ARE SAYING HE SINNED!"
My response: heresy? . . .really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
It is very clear in the Word of God that Jesus BROKE the Sabbath. It also says in the Word of God that Jesus NEVER sinned. I have no problem with both scriptures. It is you, Singer4u and BobBobbins, who have exalted yourselves above the Word of God to add your own interpretation to John 5:18. You both claim that Jesus could not have broken the Sabbath. Since when does your word override God's Word? You claim to be defenders of the Word, yet you are woefully ignorant of it.
"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, 'Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'"
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
"how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
"Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
"Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
"But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would have not condemned the guiltless.
"For the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:2-8)
Oh yes, Jesus broke the Sabbath, but He never sinned. He was WORKING on the Sabbath healing people, but He never sinned, for He was doing exactly what the Father told Him to do. JESUS IS LORD even of the Sabbath.
And now in regards to Singer4u and BobBobbins adamant stand on the reasons for divorce. Both of you have ignored Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11:
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'"
You both ignore Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11 and quote only Matthew 19:9. Hypocrites! Is Jesus' Word spoken in verse 11 any less anointed than verse 9? You blind guides, you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. Jesus said, ALL CANNOT ACCEPT the saying that fornication is the only reason for divorce, 'but only those to whom it has been given.'"
So Singer4u and BobBobbins accept that fornication is the only reason for divorce. Good for you. That's between you and God. Jesus said "ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS SAYING." And whether you like it or not, Singer4u and BobBobbins, the LORD JESUS makes it clear that He accepts other believers who have views on divorce contrary to yours.
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins writes: "I have been encouraged by others who care about me to walk away from this thread." �sounds like good advice.
Singer, you quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents
Singer4u says, "Marriage is a covenant made with yahushua and with another." Indeed it is.
Singer4u, did you make a vow before God on your wedding day that you would love your wife "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, forsaking all others, until death do you part"? Did you at any time while you were married to your wife look on another woman to lust after her? Then you also have committed adultery according to Jesus' Word. "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You vowed before God that you would be faithful to her. You have broken that vow. So, if you really want to live by the letter, you are as guilty as your wife.
Singer4u says: "I kept my vows and no as I told you on previous posts never lusted in my heart after another"
Paul's response: But the Word of God says, "Most men will proclaim each his own goodness, but who can find a faithful man?" (Proverbs 20:6). According to the Word of God, Singer, you're a liar. You come on here in self-righteous piety and hypocrisy, condemning your wife and others for committing adultery when, according to Jesus, you are guilty of committing adultery yourself. That's why the stone throwers could not cast a stone at the woman caught in adultery�they were as guilty as she.
Singer4u says, "hear that paul! Don't judge the person judge the actions" �Thank you�I already have. Read above and below.
Singer4u, you defend IWalkAlone/Bob Bobbins, even though he was proven to be a fraud, having lied about his true identity. He was and is living the lie, while at the same time passing himself off as a man of truth. That's called hypocrisy. He has lost all credibility and anyone who defends him is like him.
"Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" (Amos 3:3)
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 30 Nov, 2013 08:50 PM
Singer4u says: "I also request that you show myself and every other viewer on this forum where IWA lied about his identity"
IWalkAlone says: "Proven to be a fraud? Really? When was this proven? Lied about my true identity? Really? when did I do this? caught in lies about my identity? Really?
IWalkAlone says, "Again, chooses to sow discord rather than engage in honest dialogue".
My response: "honest dialogue?" with someone who is a proven fraud? How hypocritical you are BobBobbins/IWalkAlone. Pretending to be somebody else. What a lie !!!!! What a deception! What a fraud!!!! This is the only dialogue that you will get from me.
The EVIDENCE:
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 01:52 PM by GodsJude:
"See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 02:50 PM by IWalk Alone accusing Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins:
"Jude --You are disruptive and contentious. Please let the men hash out the Scripture.
The Ninth Commandment is found in Exodus 20:16: �You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:36 PM by Gods Jude:
"IWA...I bear NO False witness about who you were nor who you are...you may deny it all you like...it doesn't make the Truth of my statement any less TRUTHFUL."
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:47 PM by IWalkAlone again denying the accusation that he really is BobBobbins:
"Jude --As far as I am concerned, there is NO truth in you."
Posted : 18 Nov, 2013 10:19 PM by IWalkAlone making an unintended blooper:
"Teach --On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 01:53 PM by teach_ib revealing the truth about the man who calls himself IWalkAlone:
"First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM by IWalkAlone:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Posted: 23 Nov, 2013 10:30 PM by IWalkAlone admitting for the very first time on this site that he is in fact BobBobbins:
"Paul and Teach --Notice that Paul's "evidence" shows me admitting who I am -- not denying it. This was my own public admission. Far from denying it or hiding it, I admit to it myself."
On 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM, the man who calls himself IWalkAlone says:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Paul writes: Folks can you believe it? This man who calls himself, IWalkAlone, who has been portraying himself as a man of truth is now proven to be a fraud and a hypocrite. On Nov.16, IWalkAlone accuses Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins, quoting Exodus 20:16 in his defence. It was not until Nov. 23 when IWalkAlone actually admits that he is in fact BobBobbins. For a full 7 days, he has lived the lie of deception and on Nov.19, while still living this lie, IWalkAlone accused teach_ib of being "dishonest". Well did Jesus call you Pharisees�HYPOCRITES!!
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, YOU HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY ON THIS FORUM.
Thank you Gods Jude and teach_ib for exposing the real identity of the man who calls himself, IWalkAlone. So we have the banned BobBobbins returning under a different name. What an absolute fraud you are IWalkAlone/BobBobbins. You think by hiding behind the picture of some bearded man, that somehow you would not be found out. Well, you have been found out�.
GODSJUDE INSIGHT: "See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here."
The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist". When forced to prove your claim that I am a legalist, you supplied a non-Biblical explanation of legalist. "
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time. �As for a non-Biblical explanation, I provided the definition I used in referring to you and Singer on the way you were presenting your views. �I don't believe the term "legalist" is in the Bible so any description would fundamentally be non-Biblical. �Whether you agree with my definition or description or impression of you is not relevant."
BobBobbins, who now calls himself IWalkAlone, accuses Paul with this statement: "Here, he is promoting another devilish idea that a woman should instruct a man."
Paul's response: devilish idea? Really? Have you not read� "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgement" (Judges 4::4-5). Here is a woman, chosen by God, instructing men, and you, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, say it's a "devilish idea".
Well did Jesus call you Pharisees for who you really are�hypocrites. For you feign to be a God-fearing man to the reader while at the same time mocking God's idea of choosing a woman (Deborah) to instruct men, calling it a "devilish idea". You ignore the Word of God in Acts 21:9, Joel 2:28-29, and Acts 2:17-18 where God says "Your daughters will prophesy�. and on My maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they shall prophesy", and instead you concentrate on one single verse, "And I do not suffer a woman to teach" (1Timothy 2:12). Hypocrite!!! You blind guide. You ignore the weightier evidence in scripture that God uses women to instruct men today while you make up your own doctrine.
In regards to my article, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you have ignored and mocked Jesus' very own words in Matthew 19:10-12, and concentrated on verse 9 alone. You hypocrite. The same Jesus who spoke verse 9 also spoke verse 10, 11 and 12.
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying was Jesus speaking of? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce. Your issue, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, is not with me but with the Word of God. And just as the Pharisees hated Jesus because He did not fit into their man-made doctrines, so you do the same.
One thing is for certain, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you do not speak for God. The very scripture you quoted now becomes your condemnation: "To the law and to the testimony: if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).
For those readers who are not aware of what IWalkAlone posted here under the name BobBobbins, let me refresh your memory:
BobBobbins says, "Now please be sure to issue your standard verbose response to confuse all the readers.".. the only confusion the readers have here is in your hypocrisy.
BobBobbins says, "Also, don't forget your standard "thank you .. yada yada yada..".post to Teach_iib."..as you wish. But the post on "works" is for the benefit of all the readers. The Word of God speaks for itself.
Paul says, "BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous, Teach ib and I are one in spirit. "
This statement is so true! You see Bob, that's the beauty of being one in spirit with God's Spirit of mercy and grace. We are able to love one another and still hold different views. I am quite sure teach ib and I will not agree on everything�it really doesn't matter. But what we do agree on is this: that God is "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin" (Exodus 34:6-7a). That is God's very nature, and He wants that in His children.
You see, I was once a Pharisee, a legalist, a stone thrower, just like you and Singer, until God opened my eyes and showed me His nature of mercy and grace. I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they were physically beaten daily by their husbands. I began to show mercy to divorced women whose husbands were unrepentant pornographers who were guilty of committing adultery in their mind. And I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they had been mentally abused by their husbands until they prayed for death to escape. I threw down my stones and started showing mercy to these women, instead of beating on them with God's Word.
Now you may be wondering, why don't I show mercy to you guys? The answer is very simple: "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy" (James 2:13).
BobBobbins/IWalkAlone says, "Who is the liar here?" . . .YOU ARE!!!! The readers only have to read this post to see what kind of a liar you really are. In one breath, you offer an olive branch to me. In the next breath you make an accusation against me. In one breath you say, "Happy Father's Day." In the next breath, you say, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective." You HYPOCRITE!!! Do you think the readers are that gullible not to see your deceitful ways? PRETENDING to want peace and spitting out your poisonous words at the same time. You, BobBobbins, and Singer4u,have been exposed as frauds, and it is obvious to everyone that you are desperately trying to keep your sinking ship of legalism afloat. But I have news for you. It will not stand against the Word of God!
BobBobbins says, "Paul and Teach_ib can not even agree between themselves what the Biblical grounds for divorce are. Paul holds one standard and teach_ib holds another"
BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous. Teach ib and I are one in spirit. She knows and loves the God of mercy and grace, as I do, and is known by Him. And you would do well to hold your tongue against the daughter of the King. God will not hold you guiltless!
BobBobbins quotes God's word, Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Exactly, all the righteous requirements of the law ARE ALREADY FULFILLED in HIM. That righteousness is not based on you keeping the letter of the law, BUT IN ACCEPTING HIS RIGHTEOUNESS OVER YOURS. I will take the liberty to add your names to the following scripture:
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (BobBobbins and Singer4u) is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For CHRIST is the END of the law to everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).
BobBobbins says, "If this is true, Jesus was the most shining example of a legalist." Hardly. Jesus wasn't a hypocrite, never condemned anyone, and was always showing mercy. You, BobBobbins and Singer4u, do not even know what spirit you are of.
BobBobbins says, "Happy Father's Day!" . . . "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective" . . .Hmmm . . . For some reason, after looking at your hypocritical words, I don't believe you are sincere. I wonder why.
BobBobbins says, "I truly hope that at some point you will lay aside your hatred and your anger" . . . I'm sorry to disappoint you BobBobbins. I have nether anger nor hatred toward Singer or you. I do however feel sorry for you both that in your zealousness to keep the letter of the law, you have missed God's mercy.
BobBobbins says, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective. I have proven this over and over for days" . . .the only thing you have proven to the readers and myself is that my article is correct and that it exposed two modern-day Pharisees who are legalists and stone-throwers, namely yourself and Singer4u. And for that I rejoice.
BobBobbins says, "Did I make any comments anywhere about what a woman should or should not wear?" No, but we are all waiting. For you quote the Word of God in a legalistic manner. You quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "Where is this verse in the Bible that states these as exceptions?" (read above and below)
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11)
"neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks" (Ephesians 5:4). And where in the Bible, BobBobbins does it say when humorous talk becomes foolish talk and joking becomes coarse jesting? Your interpretation of foolish talk will no doubt be different from mine. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience when we step out of line.
"in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (1Timothy 2:9-10).
Now, BobBobbins, do tell all the women on this site what constitutes modest apparel . . .a dress down to the floor, a dress down to their ankles, or a dress going 1 foot 6 inches past the knees. Now tell them to throw out their jewellery and their gold wedding band and their diamond engagement ring as women who profess godliness. And also supply your address and phone number, so that they can contact you and give you a piece of their mind.
There are no exact details given in scripture for what constitutes modest apparel. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience as individuals when we step out of line.
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "NOTICE: Does he accept a truce? Does he offer forgiveness? Does he show any humility whatsoever? Does he offer his own apology?? What does he do? He demands that Singer must bow to his terms in order to receive the kingdom ( Paul's respect)"
Peter denied Jesus publicly 3 times. Jesus demanded Peter confess Him publicly 3 times.(John 21:15-17) Singer4u maligned me publicly. He needs to make a public apology. I was testing Singer4u to see if his apology was sincere. And just like your phony olive-branch offering, BobBobbins, the readers soon discovered the truth.
BobBobbins says, "This is an attempt to build an honest understanding through extension of an olive branch." Then BobBobbins follows with this statement: "Now he (Paul) takes a most haughty and prideful position - he can not be bothered to even address such lowly and ridiculous people such as Singer and I" . . . all I can say is you have a funny way of extending an olive branch. Perhaps you meant poison ivy?
BobBobbins says, "He does not say that I have misinterpreted the word of God." (you have) "but merely his articles. However, he does not show how I have done so." . . .really?
BobBobbins and Singer4u. There's really nothing more to be said to you that has not already been said. So I will continue to repeat it until you hopefully get the message.
So BobBobbins and Singer4u, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your accusations are unfounded and your interpretations of my article incorrect. Stone throwers all have something in common: They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. They boast in the keeping of the letter of the law while ignoring the weightier matters of justice, mercy and faith. And besides all this, they have one other notable characteristic . . . they are hypocrites. Matthew 23:23-28.
I have been FALSELY accused by you both, implying that I said Jesus sinned. I never said Jesus sinned. YOU DID! You made the ASSUMPTION that Jesus would have sinned if He had broken the Sabbath--I DID NOT. All I said was Jesus broke the Sabbath. Then you drew out your proverbial stones and said the following:
BobBobbins says, "Jesus never broke the sabbath. If he had done so, he would not have been able to fulfill the law. Your salvation could not have occurred. I am not sure where you get such ridiculous ideas. That is completely absurd and totally false."
My response: Absurd and totally false? . . .Really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Singer4u says, "Paul and Goldenfaith both said in their writings on this forum that Yahushua broke Sabbath. That is impossible! You two should know better than that and to say it is total heresy!!! YOU ARE SAYING HE SINNED!"
My response: heresy? . . .really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
It is very clear in the Word of God that Jesus BROKE the Sabbath. It also says in the Word of God that Jesus NEVER sinned. I have no problem with both scriptures. It is you, Singer4u and BobBobbins, who have exalted yourselves above the Word of God to add your own interpretation to John 5:18. You both claim that Jesus could not have broken the Sabbath. Since when does your word override God's Word? You claim to be defenders of the Word, yet you are woefully ignorant of it.
"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, 'Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'"
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
"how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
"Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
"Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
"But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would have not condemned the guiltless.
"For the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:2-8)
Oh yes, Jesus broke the Sabbath, but He never sinned. He was WORKING on the Sabbath healing people, but He never sinned, for He was doing exactly what the Father told Him to do. JESUS IS LORD even of the Sabbath.
And now in regards to Singer4u and BobBobbins adamant stand on the reasons for divorce. Both of you have ignored Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11:
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'"
You both ignore Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11 and quote only Matthew 19:9. Hypocrites! Is Jesus' Word spoken in verse 11 any less anointed than verse 9? You blind guides, you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. Jesus said, ALL CANNOT ACCEPT the saying that fornication is the only reason for divorce, 'but only those to whom it has been given.'"
So Singer4u and BobBobbins accept that fornication is the only reason for divorce. Good for you. That's between you and God. Jesus said "ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS SAYING." And whether you like it or not, Singer4u and BobBobbins, the LORD JESUS makes it clear that He accepts other believers who have views on divorce contrary to yours.
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins writes: "I have been encouraged by others who care about me to walk away from this thread." �sounds like good advice.
Singer, you quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents
Singer4u says, "Marriage is a covenant made with yahushua and with another." Indeed it is.
Singer4u, did you make a vow before God on your wedding day that you would love your wife "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, forsaking all others, until death do you part"? Did you at any time while you were married to your wife look on another woman to lust after her? Then you also have committed adultery according to Jesus' Word. "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You vowed before God that you would be faithful to her. You have broken that vow. So, if you really want to live by the letter, you are as guilty as your wife.
Singer4u says: "I kept my vows and no as I told you on previous posts never lusted in my heart after another"
Paul's response: But the Word of God says, "Most men will proclaim each his own goodness, but who can find a faithful man?" (Proverbs 20:6). According to the Word of God, Singer, you're a liar. You come on here in self-righteous piety and hypocrisy, condemning your wife and others for committing adultery when, according to Jesus, you are guilty of committing adultery yourself. That's why the stone throwers could not cast a stone at the woman caught in adultery�they were as guilty as she.
Singer4u says, "hear that paul! Don't judge the person judge the actions" �Thank you�I already have. Read above and below.
Singer4u, you defend IWalkAlone/Bob Bobbins, even though he was proven to be a fraud, having lied about his true identity. He was and is living the lie, while at the same time passing himself off as a man of truth. That's called hypocrisy. He has lost all credibility and anyone who defends him is like him.
"Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" (Amos 3:3)
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 30 Nov, 2013 07:28 PM
Singer4u says: "I also request that you show myself and every other viewer on this forum where IWA lied about his identity"
IWalkAlone says: "Proven to be a fraud? Really? When was this proven? Lied about my true identity? Really? when did I do this? caught in lies about my identity? Really?
IWalkAlone says, "Again, chooses to sow discord rather than engage in honest dialogue".
My response: "honest dialogue?" with someone who is a proven fraud? How hypocritical you are BobBobbins/IWalkAlone. Pretending to be somebody else. What a lie !!!!! What a deception! What a fraud!!!! This is the only dialogue that you will get from me.
The EVIDENCE:
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 01:52 PM by GodsJude:
"See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 02:50 PM by IWalk Alone accusing Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins:
"Jude --You are disruptive and contentious. Please let the men hash out the Scripture.
The Ninth Commandment is found in Exodus 20:16: �You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:36 PM by Gods Jude:
"IWA...I bear NO False witness about who you were nor who you are...you may deny it all you like...it doesn't make the Truth of my statement any less TRUTHFUL."
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:47 PM by IWalkAlone again denying the accusation that he really is BobBobbins:
"Jude --As far as I am concerned, there is NO truth in you."
Posted : 18 Nov, 2013 10:19 PM by IWalkAlone making an unintended blooper:
"Teach --On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 01:53 PM by teach_ib revealing the truth about the man who calls himself IWalkAlone:
"First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM by IWalkAlone:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Posted: 23 Nov, 2013 10:30 PM by IWalkAlone admitting for the very first time on this site that he is in fact BobBobbins:
"Paul and Teach --Notice that Paul's "evidence" shows me admitting who I am -- not denying it. This was my own public admission. Far from denying it or hiding it, I admit to it myself."
On 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM, the man who calls himself IWalkAlone says:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Paul writes: Folks can you believe it? This man who calls himself, IWalkAlone, who has been portraying himself as a man of truth is now proven to be a fraud and a hypocrite. On Nov.16, IWalkAlone accuses Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins, quoting Exodus 20:16 in his defence. It was not until Nov. 23 when IWalkAlone actually admits that he is in fact BobBobbins. For a full 7 days, he has lived the lie of deception and on Nov.19, while still living this lie, IWalkAlone accused teach_ib of being "dishonest". Well did Jesus call you Pharisees�HYPOCRITES!!
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, YOU HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY ON THIS FORUM.
Thank you Gods Jude and teach_ib for exposing the real identity of the man who calls himself, IWalkAlone. So we have the banned BobBobbins returning under a different name. What an absolute fraud you are IWalkAlone/BobBobbins. You think by hiding behind the picture of some bearded man, that somehow you would not be found out. Well, you have been found out�.
GODSJUDE INSIGHT: "See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here."
The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist". When forced to prove your claim that I am a legalist, you supplied a non-Biblical explanation of legalist. "
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time. �As for a non-Biblical explanation, I provided the definition I used in referring to you and Singer on the way you were presenting your views. �I don't believe the term "legalist" is in the Bible so any description would fundamentally be non-Biblical. �Whether you agree with my definition or description or impression of you is not relevant."
BobBobbins, who now calls himself IWalkAlone, accuses Paul with this statement: "Here, he is promoting another devilish idea that a woman should instruct a man."
Paul's response: devilish idea? Really? Have you not read� "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgement" (Judges 4::4-5). Here is a woman, chosen by God, instructing men, and you, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, say it's a "devilish idea".
Well did Jesus call you Pharisees for who you really are�hypocrites. For you feign to be a God-fearing man to the reader while at the same time mocking God's idea of choosing a woman (Deborah) to instruct men, calling it a "devilish idea". You ignore the Word of God in Acts 21:9, Joel 2:28-29, and Acts 2:17-18 where God says "Your daughters will prophesy�. and on My maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they shall prophesy", and instead you concentrate on one single verse, "And I do not suffer a woman to teach" (1Timothy 2:12). Hypocrite!!! You blind guide. You ignore the weightier evidence in scripture that God uses women to instruct men today while you make up your own doctrine.
In regards to my article, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you have ignored and mocked Jesus' very own words in Matthew 19:10-12, and concentrated on verse 9 alone. You hypocrite. The same Jesus who spoke verse 9 also spoke verse 10, 11 and 12.
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying was Jesus speaking of? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce. Your issue, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, is not with me but with the Word of God. And just as the Pharisees hated Jesus because He did not fit into their man-made doctrines, so you do the same.
One thing is for certain, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you do not speak for God. The very scripture you quoted now becomes your condemnation: "To the law and to the testimony: if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).
For those readers who are not aware of what IWalkAlone posted here under the name BobBobbins, let me refresh your memory:
BobBobbins says, "Now please be sure to issue your standard verbose response to confuse all the readers.".. the only confusion the readers have here is in your hypocrisy.
BobBobbins says, "Also, don't forget your standard "thank you .. yada yada yada..".post to Teach_iib."..as you wish. But the post on "works" is for the benefit of all the readers. The Word of God speaks for itself.
Paul says, "BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous, Teach ib and I are one in spirit. "
This statement is so true! You see Bob, that's the beauty of being one in spirit with God's Spirit of mercy and grace. We are able to love one another and still hold different views. I am quite sure teach ib and I will not agree on everything�it really doesn't matter. But what we do agree on is this: that God is "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin" (Exodus 34:6-7a). That is God's very nature, and He wants that in His children.
You see, I was once a Pharisee, a legalist, a stone thrower, just like you and Singer, until God opened my eyes and showed me His nature of mercy and grace. I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they were physically beaten daily by their husbands. I began to show mercy to divorced women whose husbands were unrepentant pornographers who were guilty of committing adultery in their mind. And I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they had been mentally abused by their husbands until they prayed for death to escape. I threw down my stones and started showing mercy to these women, instead of beating on them with God's Word.
Now you may be wondering, why don't I show mercy to you guys? The answer is very simple: "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy" (James 2:13).
BobBobbins/IWalkAlone says, "Who is the liar here?" . . .YOU ARE!!!! The readers only have to read this post to see what kind of a liar you really are. In one breath, you offer an olive branch to me. In the next breath you make an accusation against me. In one breath you say, "Happy Father's Day." In the next breath, you say, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective." You HYPOCRITE!!! Do you think the readers are that gullible not to see your deceitful ways? PRETENDING to want peace and spitting out your poisonous words at the same time. You, BobBobbins, and Singer4u,have been exposed as frauds, and it is obvious to everyone that you are desperately trying to keep your sinking ship of legalism afloat. But I have news for you. It will not stand against the Word of God!
BobBobbins says, "Paul and Teach_ib can not even agree between themselves what the Biblical grounds for divorce are. Paul holds one standard and teach_ib holds another"
BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous. Teach ib and I are one in spirit. She knows and loves the God of mercy and grace, as I do, and is known by Him. And you would do well to hold your tongue against the daughter of the King. God will not hold you guiltless!
BobBobbins quotes God's word, Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Exactly, all the righteous requirements of the law ARE ALREADY FULFILLED in HIM. That righteousness is not based on you keeping the letter of the law, BUT IN ACCEPTING HIS RIGHTEOUNESS OVER YOURS. I will take the liberty to add your names to the following scripture:
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (BobBobbins and Singer4u) is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For CHRIST is the END of the law to everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).
BobBobbins says, "If this is true, Jesus was the most shining example of a legalist." Hardly. Jesus wasn't a hypocrite, never condemned anyone, and was always showing mercy. You, BobBobbins and Singer4u, do not even know what spirit you are of.
BobBobbins says, "Happy Father's Day!" . . . "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective" . . .Hmmm . . . For some reason, after looking at your hypocritical words, I don't believe you are sincere. I wonder why.
BobBobbins says, "I truly hope that at some point you will lay aside your hatred and your anger" . . . I'm sorry to disappoint you BobBobbins. I have nether anger nor hatred toward Singer or you. I do however feel sorry for you both that in your zealousness to keep the letter of the law, you have missed God's mercy.
BobBobbins says, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective. I have proven this over and over for days" . . .the only thing you have proven to the readers and myself is that my article is correct and that it exposed two modern-day Pharisees who are legalists and stone-throwers, namely yourself and Singer4u. And for that I rejoice.
BobBobbins says, "Did I make any comments anywhere about what a woman should or should not wear?" No, but we are all waiting. For you quote the Word of God in a legalistic manner. You quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "Where is this verse in the Bible that states these as exceptions?" (read above and below)
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11)
"neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks" (Ephesians 5:4). And where in the Bible, BobBobbins does it say when humorous talk becomes foolish talk and joking becomes coarse jesting? Your interpretation of foolish talk will no doubt be different from mine. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience when we step out of line.
"in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (1Timothy 2:9-10).
Now, BobBobbins, do tell all the women on this site what constitutes modest apparel . . .a dress down to the floor, a dress down to their ankles, or a dress going 1 foot 6 inches past the knees. Now tell them to throw out their jewellery and their gold wedding band and their diamond engagement ring as women who profess godliness. And also supply your address and phone number, so that they can contact you and give you a piece of their mind.
There are no exact details given in scripture for what constitutes modest apparel. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience as individuals when we step out of line.
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "NOTICE: Does he accept a truce? Does he offer forgiveness? Does he show any humility whatsoever? Does he offer his own apology?? What does he do? He demands that Singer must bow to his terms in order to receive the kingdom ( Paul's respect)"
Peter denied Jesus publicly 3 times. Jesus demanded Peter confess Him publicly 3 times.(John 21:15-17) Singer4u maligned me publicly. He needs to make a public apology. I was testing Singer4u to see if his apology was sincere. And just like your phony olive-branch offering, BobBobbins, the readers soon discovered the truth.
BobBobbins says, "This is an attempt to build an honest understanding through extension of an olive branch." Then BobBobbins follows with this statement: "Now he (Paul) takes a most haughty and prideful position - he can not be bothered to even address such lowly and ridiculous people such as Singer and I" . . . all I can say is you have a funny way of extending an olive branch. Perhaps you meant poison ivy?
BobBobbins says, "He does not say that I have misinterpreted the word of God." (you have) "but merely his articles. However, he does not show how I have done so." . . .really?
BobBobbins and Singer4u. There's really nothing more to be said to you that has not already been said. So I will continue to repeat it until you hopefully get the message.
So BobBobbins and Singer4u, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your accusations are unfounded and your interpretations of my article incorrect. Stone throwers all have something in common: They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. They boast in the keeping of the letter of the law while ignoring the weightier matters of justice, mercy and faith. And besides all this, they have one other notable characteristic . . . they are hypocrites. Matthew 23:23-28.
I have been FALSELY accused by you both, implying that I said Jesus sinned. I never said Jesus sinned. YOU DID! You made the ASSUMPTION that Jesus would have sinned if He had broken the Sabbath--I DID NOT. All I said was Jesus broke the Sabbath. Then you drew out your proverbial stones and said the following:
BobBobbins says, "Jesus never broke the sabbath. If he had done so, he would not have been able to fulfill the law. Your salvation could not have occurred. I am not sure where you get such ridiculous ideas. That is completely absurd and totally false."
My response: Absurd and totally false? . . .Really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Singer4u says, "Paul and Goldenfaith both said in their writings on this forum that Yahushua broke Sabbath. That is impossible! You two should know better than that and to say it is total heresy!!! YOU ARE SAYING HE SINNED!"
My response: heresy? . . .really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
It is very clear in the Word of God that Jesus BROKE the Sabbath. It also says in the Word of God that Jesus NEVER sinned. I have no problem with both scriptures. It is you, Singer4u and BobBobbins, who have exalted yourselves above the Word of God to add your own interpretation to John 5:18. You both claim that Jesus could not have broken the Sabbath. Since when does your word override God's Word? You claim to be defenders of the Word, yet you are woefully ignorant of it.
"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, 'Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'"
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
"how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
"Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
"Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
"But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would have not condemned the guiltless.
"For the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:2-8)
Oh yes, Jesus broke the Sabbath, but He never sinned. He was WORKING on the Sabbath healing people, but He never sinned, for He was doing exactly what the Father told Him to do. JESUS IS LORD even of the Sabbath.
And now in regards to Singer4u and BobBobbins adamant stand on the reasons for divorce. Both of you have ignored Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11:
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'"
You both ignore Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11 and quote only Matthew 19:9. Hypocrites! Is Jesus' Word spoken in verse 11 any less anointed than verse 9? You blind guides, you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. Jesus said, ALL CANNOT ACCEPT the saying that fornication is the only reason for divorce, 'but only those to whom it has been given.'"
So Singer4u and BobBobbins accept that fornication is the only reason for divorce. Good for you. That's between you and God. Jesus said "ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS SAYING." And whether you like it or not, Singer4u and BobBobbins, the LORD JESUS makes it clear that He accepts other believers who have views on divorce contrary to yours.
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins writes: "I have been encouraged by others who care about me to walk away from this thread." �sounds like good advice.
Singer, you quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents
Singer4u says, "Marriage is a covenant made with yahushua and with another." Indeed it is.
Singer4u, did you make a vow before God on your wedding day that you would love your wife "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, forsaking all others, until death do you part"? Did you at any time while you were married to your wife look on another woman to lust after her? Then you also have committed adultery according to Jesus' Word. "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You vowed before God that you would be faithful to her. You have broken that vow. So, if you really want to live by the letter, you are as guilty as your wife.
Singer4u says: "I kept my vows and no as I told you on previous posts never lusted in my heart after another"
Paul's response: But the Word of God says, "Most men will proclaim each his own goodness, but who can find a faithful man?" (Proverbs 20:6). According to the Word of God, Singer, you're a liar. You come on here in self-righteous piety and hypocrisy, condemning your wife and others for committing adultery when, according to Jesus, you are guilty of committing adultery yourself. That's why the stone throwers could not cast a stone at the woman caught in adultery�they were as guilty as she.
Singer4u says, "hear that paul! Don't judge the person judge the actions" �Thank you�I already have. Read above and below.
Singer4u, you defend IWalkAlone/Bob Bobbins, even though he was proven to be a fraud, having lied about his true identity. He was and is living the lie, while at the same time passing himself off as a man of truth. That's called hypocrisy. He has lost all credibility and anyone who defends him is like him.
"Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" (Amos 3:3)
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 30 Nov, 2013 12:05 PM
Hisjoymypeace... Thank you for your comments, but I would advise you not to look to any man on this forum for answers. My views and interpretation of scriptures are clearly portrayed in my article. Other men have opposing views. The bottom line is to search the Word of God for yourself. The Holy Spirit will guide you. :angel:
"But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him" (1John 2:27).
