Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 30 Nov, 2013 10:08 AM
Singer4u says: "I also request that you show myself and every other viewer on this forum where IWA lied about his identity"
IWalkAlone says: "Proven to be a fraud? Really? When was this proven? Lied about my true identity? Really? when did I do this? caught in lies about my identity? Really?
IWalkAlone says, "Again, chooses to sow discord rather than engage in honest dialogue".
My response: "honest dialogue?" with someone who is a proven fraud? How hypocritical you are BobBobbins/IWalkAlone. Pretending to be somebody else. What a lie !!!!! What a deception! What a fraud!!!! This is the only dialogue that you will get from me.
The EVIDENCE:
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 01:52 PM by GodsJude:
"See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 02:50 PM by IWalk Alone accusing Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins:
"Jude --You are disruptive and contentious. Please let the men hash out the Scripture.
The Ninth Commandment is found in Exodus 20:16: �You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:36 PM by Gods Jude:
"IWA...I bear NO False witness about who you were nor who you are...you may deny it all you like...it doesn't make the Truth of my statement any less TRUTHFUL."
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:47 PM by IWalkAlone again denying the accusation that he really is BobBobbins:
"Jude --As far as I am concerned, there is NO truth in you."
Posted : 18 Nov, 2013 10:19 PM by IWalkAlone making an unintended blooper:
"Teach --On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 01:53 PM by teach_ib revealing the truth about the man who calls himself IWalkAlone:
"First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM by IWalkAlone:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Posted: 23 Nov, 2013 10:30 PM by IWalkAlone admitting for the very first time on this site that he is in fact BobBobbins:
"Paul and Teach --Notice that Paul's "evidence" shows me admitting who I am -- not denying it. This was my own public admission. Far from denying it or hiding it, I admit to it myself."
On 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM, the man who calls himself IWalkAlone says:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Paul writes: Folks can you believe it? This man who calls himself, IWalkAlone, who has been portraying himself as a man of truth is now proven to be a fraud and a hypocrite. On Nov.16, IWalkAlone accuses Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins, quoting Exodus 20:16 in his defence. It was not until Nov. 23 when IWalkAlone actually admits that he is in fact BobBobbins. For a full 7 days, he has lived the lie of deception and on Nov.19, while still living this lie, IWalkAlone accused teach_ib of being "dishonest". Well did Jesus call you Pharisees�HYPOCRITES!!
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, YOU HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY ON THIS FORUM.
Thank you Gods Jude and teach_ib for exposing the real identity of the man who calls himself, IWalkAlone. So we have the banned BobBobbins returning under a different name. What an absolute fraud you are IWalkAlone/BobBobbins. You think by hiding behind the picture of some bearded man, that somehow you would not be found out. Well, you have been found out�.
GODSJUDE INSIGHT: "See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here."
The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist". When forced to prove your claim that I am a legalist, you supplied a non-Biblical explanation of legalist. "
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time. �As for a non-Biblical explanation, I provided the definition I used in referring to you and Singer on the way you were presenting your views. �I don't believe the term "legalist" is in the Bible so any description would fundamentally be non-Biblical. �Whether you agree with my definition or description or impression of you is not relevant."
BobBobbins, who now calls himself IWalkAlone, accuses Paul with this statement: "Here, he is promoting another devilish idea that a woman should instruct a man."
Paul's response: devilish idea? Really? Have you not read� "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgement" (Judges 4::4-5). Here is a woman, chosen by God, instructing men, and you, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, say it's a "devilish idea".
Well did Jesus call you Pharisees for who you really are�hypocrites. For you feign to be a God-fearing man to the reader while at the same time mocking God's idea of choosing a woman (Deborah) to instruct men, calling it a "devilish idea". You ignore the Word of God in Acts 21:9, Joel 2:28-29, and Acts 2:17-18 where God says "Your daughters will prophesy�. and on My maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they shall prophesy", and instead you concentrate on one single verse, "And I do not suffer a woman to teach" (1Timothy 2:12). Hypocrite!!! You blind guide. You ignore the weightier evidence in scripture that God uses women to instruct men today while you make up your own doctrine.
In regards to my article, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you have ignored and mocked Jesus' very own words in Matthew 19:10-12, and concentrated on verse 9 alone. You hypocrite. The same Jesus who spoke verse 9 also spoke verse 10, 11 and 12.
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying was Jesus speaking of? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce. Your issue, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, is not with me but with the Word of God. And just as the Pharisees hated Jesus because He did not fit into their man-made doctrines, so you do the same.
One thing is for certain, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you do not speak for God. The very scripture you quoted now becomes your condemnation: "To the law and to the testimony: if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).
For those readers who are not aware of what IWalkAlone posted here under the name BobBobbins, let me refresh your memory:
BobBobbins says, "Now please be sure to issue your standard verbose response to confuse all the readers.".. the only confusion the readers have here is in your hypocrisy.
BobBobbins says, "Also, don't forget your standard "thank you .. yada yada yada..".post to Teach_iib."..as you wish. But the post on "works" is for the benefit of all the readers. The Word of God speaks for itself.
Paul says, "BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous, Teach ib and I are one in spirit. "
This statement is so true! You see Bob, that's the beauty of being one in spirit with God's Spirit of mercy and grace. We are able to love one another and still hold different views. I am quite sure teach ib and I will not agree on everything�it really doesn't matter. But what we do agree on is this: that God is "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin" (Exodus 34:6-7a). That is God's very nature, and He wants that in His children.
You see, I was once a Pharisee, a legalist, a stone thrower, just like you and Singer, until God opened my eyes and showed me His nature of mercy and grace. I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they were physically beaten daily by their husbands. I began to show mercy to divorced women whose husbands were unrepentant pornographers who were guilty of committing adultery in their mind. And I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they had been mentally abused by their husbands until they prayed for death to escape. I threw down my stones and started showing mercy to these women, instead of beating on them with God's Word.
Now you may be wondering, why don't I show mercy to you guys? The answer is very simple: "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy" (James 2:13).
BobBobbins says, "Who is the liar here?" . . .YOU ARE!!!! The readers only have to read this post to see what kind of a liar you really are. In one breath, you offer an olive branch to me. In the next breath you make an accusation against me. In one breath you say, "Happy Father's Day." In the next breath, you say, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective." You HYPOCRITE!!! Do you think the readers are that gullible not to see your deceitful ways? PRETENDING to want peace and spitting out your poisonous words at the same time. You, BobBobbins, and Singer4u,have been exposed as frauds, and it is obvious to everyone that you are desperately trying to keep your sinking ship of legalism afloat. But I have news for you. It will not stand against the Word of God!
BobBobbins says, "Paul and Teach_ib can not even agree between themselves what the Biblical grounds for divorce are. Paul holds one standard and teach_ib holds another"
BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous. Teach ib and I are one in spirit. She knows and loves the God of mercy and grace, as I do, and is known by Him. And you would do well to hold your tongue against the daughter of the King. God will not hold you guiltless!
BobBobbins quotes God's word, Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Exactly, all the righteous requirements of the law ARE ALREADY FULFILLED in HIM. That righteousness is not based on you keeping the letter of the law, BUT IN ACCEPTING HIS RIGHTEOUNESS OVER YOURS. I will take the liberty to add your names to the following scripture:
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (BobBobbins and Singer4u) is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For CHRIST is the END of the law to everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).
BobBobbins says, "If this is true, Jesus was the most shining example of a legalist." Hardly. Jesus wasn't a hypocrite, never condemned anyone, and was always showing mercy. You, BobBobbins and Singer4u, do not even know what spirit you are of.
BobBobbins says, "Happy Father's Day!" . . . "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective" . . .Hmmm . . . For some reason, after looking at your hypocritical words, I don't believe you are sincere. I wonder why.
BobBobbins says, "I truly hope that at some point you will lay aside your hatred and your anger" . . . I'm sorry to disappoint you BobBobbins. I have nether anger nor hatred toward Singer or you. I do however feel sorry for you both that in your zealousness to keep the letter of the law, you have missed God's mercy.
BobBobbins says, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective. I have proven this over and over for days" . . .the only thing you have proven to the readers and myself is that my article is correct and that it exposed two modern-day Pharisees who are legalists and stone-throwers, namely yourself and Singer4u. And for that I rejoice.
BobBobbins says, "Did I make any comments anywhere about what a woman should or should not wear?" No, but we are all waiting. For you quote the Word of God in a legalistic manner. You quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "Where is this verse in the Bible that states these as exceptions?" (read above and below)
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11)
"neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks" (Ephesians 5:4). And where in the Bible, BobBobbins does it say when humorous talk becomes foolish talk and joking becomes coarse jesting? Your interpretation of foolish talk will no doubt be different from mine. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience when we step out of line.
"in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (1Timothy 2:9-10).
Now, BobBobbins, do tell all the women on this site what constitutes modest apparel . . .a dress down to the floor, a dress down to their ankles, or a dress going 1 foot 6 inches past the knees. Now tell them to throw out their jewellery and their gold wedding band and their diamond engagement ring as women who profess godliness. And also supply your address and phone number, so that they can contact you and give you a piece of their mind.
There are no exact details given in scripture for what constitutes modest apparel. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience as individuals when we step out of line.
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "NOTICE: Does he accept a truce? Does he offer forgiveness? Does he show any humility whatsoever? Does he offer his own apology?? What does he do? He demands that Singer must bow to his terms in order to receive the kingdom ( Paul's respect)"
Peter denied Jesus publicly 3 times. Jesus demanded Peter confess Him publicly 3 times.(John 21:15-17) Singer4u maligned me publicly. He needs to make a public apology. I was testing Singer4u to see if his apology was sincere. And just like your phony olive-branch offering, BobBobbins, the readers soon discovered the truth.
BobBobbins says, "This is an attempt to build an honest understanding through extension of an olive branch." Then BobBobbins follows with this statement: "Now he (Paul) takes a most haughty and prideful position - he can not be bothered to even address such lowly and ridiculous people such as Singer and I" . . . all I can say is you have a funny way of extending an olive branch. Perhaps you meant poison ivy?
BobBobbins says, "He does not say that I have misinterpreted the word of God." (you have) "but merely his articles. However, he does not show how I have done so." . . .really?
BobBobbins and Singer4u. There's really nothing more to be said to you that has not already been said. So I will continue to repeat it until you hopefully get the message.
So BobBobbins and Singer4u, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your accusations are unfounded and your interpretations of my article incorrect. Stone throwers all have something in common: They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. They boast in the keeping of the letter of the law while ignoring the weightier matters of justice, mercy and faith. And besides all this, they have one other notable characteristic . . . they are hypocrites. Matthew 23:23-28.
I have been FALSELY accused by you both, implying that I said Jesus sinned. I never said Jesus sinned. YOU DID! You made the ASSUMPTION that Jesus would have sinned if He had broken the Sabbath--I DID NOT. All I said was Jesus broke the Sabbath. Then you drew out your proverbial stones and said the following:
BobBobbins says, "Jesus never broke the sabbath. If he had done so, he would not have been able to fulfill the law. Your salvation could not have occurred. I am not sure where you get such ridiculous ideas. That is completely absurd and totally false."
My response: Absurd and totally false? . . .Really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Singer4u says, "Paul and Goldenfaith both said in their writings on this forum that Yahushua broke Sabbath. That is impossible! You two should know better than that and to say it is total heresy!!! YOU ARE SAYING HE SINNED!"
My response: heresy? . . .really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
It is very clear in the Word of God that Jesus BROKE the Sabbath. It also says in the Word of God that Jesus NEVER sinned. I have no problem with both scriptures. It is you, Singer4u and BobBobbins, who have exalted yourselves above the Word of God to add your own interpretation to John 5:18. You both claim that Jesus could not have broken the Sabbath. Since when does your word override God's Word? You claim to be defenders of the Word, yet you are woefully ignorant of it.
"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, 'Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'"
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
"how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
"Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
"Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
"But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would have not condemned the guiltless.
"For the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:2-8)
Oh yes, Jesus broke the Sabbath, but He never sinned. He was WORKING on the Sabbath healing people, but He never sinned, for He was doing exactly what the Father told Him to do. JESUS IS LORD even of the Sabbath.
And now in regards to Singer4u and BobBobbins adamant stand on the reasons for divorce. Both of you have ignored Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11:
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'"
You both ignore Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11 and quote only Matthew 19:9. Hypocrites! Is Jesus' Word spoken in verse 11 any less anointed than verse 9? You blind guides, you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. Jesus said, ALL CANNOT ACCEPT the saying that fornication is the only reason for divorce, 'but only those to whom it has been given.'"
So Singer4u and BobBobbins accept that fornication is the only reason for divorce. Good for you. That's between you and God. Jesus said "ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS SAYING." And whether you like it or not, Singer4u and BobBobbins, the LORD JESUS makes it clear that He accepts other believers who have views on divorce contrary to yours.
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins writes: "I have been encouraged by others who care about me to walk away from this thread." �sounds like good advice.
Singer, you quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents
Singer4u says, "Marriage is a covenant made with yahushua and with another." Indeed it is.
Singer4u, did you make a vow before God on your wedding day that you would love your wife "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, forsaking all others, until death do you part"? Did you at any time while you were married to your wife look on another woman to lust after her? Then you also have committed adultery according to Jesus' Word. "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You vowed before God that you would be faithful to her. You have broken that vow. So, if you really want to live by the letter, you are as guilty as your wife.
Singer4u says: "I kept my vows and no as I told you on previous posts never lusted in my heart after another"
My response: But the Word of God says, "Most men will proclaim each his own goodness, but who can find a faithful man?" According to the Word of God, Singer, you're a liar. You come on here in self-righteous piety and hypocrisy, condemning your wife and others for committing adultery when, according to Jesus, you are guilty of committing adultery yourself. That's why the stone throwers could not cast a stone at the woman caught in adultery�they were as guilty as she.
Singer4u says, "hear that paul! Don't judge the person judge the actions" �Thank you�I already have. Read below.
Singer4u, you defend IWalkAlone/Bob Bobbins, even though he was proven to be a fraud, having lied about his true identity. He was and is living the lie, while at the same time passing himself off as a man of truth. That's called hypocrisy. He has lost all credibility and anyone who defends him is like him.
"Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" (Amos 3:3)
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 29 Nov, 2013 05:46 PM
Singer4u says: "I also request that you show myself and every other viewer on this forum where IWA lied about his identity"
IWalkAlone says: "Proven to be a fraud? Really? When was this proven? Lied about my true identity? Really? when did I do this? caught in lies about my identity? Really?
The EVIDENCE:
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 01:52 PM by GodsJude:
"See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 02:50 PM by IWalk Alone accusing Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins:
"Jude --You are disruptive and contentious. Please let the men hash out the Scripture.
The Ninth Commandment is found in Exodus 20:16: �You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:36 PM by Gods Jude:
"IWA...I bear NO False witness about who you were nor who you are...you may deny it all you like...it doesn't make the Truth of my statement any less TRUTHFUL."
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:47 PM by IWalkAlone again denying the accusation that he really is BobBobbins:
"Jude --As far as I am concerned, there is NO truth in you."
Posted : 18 Nov, 2013 10:19 PM by IWalkAlone making an unintended blooper:
"Teach --On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 01:53 PM by teach_ib revealing the truth about the man who calls himself IWalkAlone:
"First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM by IWalkAlone:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Posted: 23 Nov, 2013 10:30 PM by IWalkAlone admitting for the very first time on this site that he is in fact BobBobbins:
"Paul and Teach --Notice that Paul's "evidence" shows me admitting who I am -- not denying it. This was my own public admission. Far from denying it or hiding it, I admit to it myself."
On 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM, the man who calls himself IWalkAlone says:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Paul writes: Folks can you believe it? This man who calls himself, IWalkAlone, who has been portraying himself as a man of truth is now proven to be a fraud and a hypocrite. On Nov.16, IWalkAlone accuses Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins, quoting Exodus 20:16 in his defence. It was not until Nov. 23 when IWalkAlone actually admits that he is in fact BobBobbins. For a full 7 days, he has lived the lie of deception and on Nov.19, while still living this lie, IWalkAlone accused teach_ib of being "dishonest". Well did Jesus call you Pharisees�HYPOCRITES!!
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, YOU HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY ON THIS FORUM. What are you doing here?
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins says, "Jesus never broke the sabbath. If he had done so, he would not have been able to fulfill the law. Your salvation could not have occurred. I am not sure where you get such ridiculous ideas. That is completely absurd and totally false."
My response: Absurd and totally false? . . .Really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Singer4u says, "Paul and Goldenfaith both said in their writings on this forum that Yahushua broke Sabbath. That is impossible! You two should know better than that and to say it is total heresy!!! YOU ARE SAYING HE SINNED!"
My response: heresy? . . .really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
It is very clear in the Word of God that Jesus BROKE the Sabbath. It also says in the Word of God that Jesus NEVER sinned. I have no problem with both scriptures. It is you, Singer4u and BobBobbins, who have exalted yourselves above the Word of God to add your own interpretation to John 5:18. You both claim that Jesus could not have broken the Sabbath. Since when does your word override God's Word? You claim to be defenders of the Word, yet you are woefully ignorant of it.
"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, 'Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'"
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
"how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
"Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
"Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
"But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would have not condemned the guiltless.
"For the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:2-8)
Oh yes, Jesus broke the Sabbath, but He never sinned. He was WORKING on the Sabbath healing people, but He never sinned, for He was doing exactly what the Father told Him to do. JESUS IS LORD even of the Sabbath.
And now in regards to Singer4u and IWalkAlone/BobBobbins adamant stand on the reasons for divorce. Both of you have ignored Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11:
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'"
You both ignore Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11 and quote only Matthew 19:9. Hypocrites! Is Jesus' Word spoken in verse 11 any less anointed than verse 9? You blind guides, you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. Jesus said, ALL CANNOT ACCEPT the saying that fornication is the only reason for divorce, 'but only those to whom it has been given.'"
So Singer4u and IWalkAlone/BobBobbins accept that fornication is the only reason for divorce. Good for you. That's between you and God. Jesus said "ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS SAYING." And whether you like it or not, Singer4u and BobBobbins, the LORD JESUS makes it clear that He accepts other believers who have views on divorce contrary to yours.
BobBobbins, who now calls himself IWalkAlone, accuses Paul with this statement: "Here, he is promoting another devilish idea that a woman should instruct a man."
Paul's response: devilish idea? Really? Have you not read� "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgement" (Judges 4::4-5). Here is a woman, chosen by God, instructing men, and you, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, say it's a "devilish idea".
Well did Jesus call you Pharisees for who you really are�hypocrites. For you feign to be a God-fearing man to the reader while at the same time mocking God's idea of choosing a woman (Deborah) to instruct men, calling it a "devilish idea". You ignore the Word of God in Acts 21:9, Joel 2:28-29, and Acts 2:17-18 where God says "Your daughters will prophesy�. and on My maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they shall prophesy", and instead you concentrate on one single verse, "And I do not suffer a woman to teach" (1Timothy 2:12). Hypocrite!!! You blind guide. You ignore the weightier evidence in scripture that God uses women to instruct men today while you make up your own doctrine.
Singer4u says, "Marriage is a covenant made with yahushua and with another." Indeed it is.
Singer4u, did you make a vow before God on your wedding day that you would love your wife "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, forsaking all others, until death do you part"? Did you at any time while you were married to your wife look on another woman to lust after her? Then you also have committed adultery according to Jesus' Word. "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You vowed before God that you would be faithful to her. You have broken that vow. So, if you really want to live by the letter, you are as guilty as your wife.
"Scripture is Truth...human interpretation of Scripture is not equivalent to the Truth.
If someone posts a verse from the Bible, they have cited the Truth. How one interprets it can make it into something other than the truth.
How we respond to others that we agree or disagree with shows the Autry of the spirit in us. As Christians we should strive to display the fruits of the Holy Spirit even to those who are not in alignment with your interpretation.
Yelling, screaming, ranting, raving, never achieves the goal of persuading someone that you are right. Christians should try to live as Romans 12 describes...and strive to love peaceably with all."
"The argument now is over the speck instead of the overarching issue of the OP...we do not have to completely dissect every word of every verse to understand the truth.
Is divorce allowed? yes.
Is remarriage allowed? Yes, if the divorce is Biblical.
We shouldn't automatically dismiss pr treat someone badly because they were divorced, which is often the case in many churches and by many individuals...no matter the cause of the divorce.
We should be slow to judge and careful with our words and action towards others. When we condemn others we are really condemning ourselves...we are all guilty of some sin, big or small...so we are in reality guilty of them all.
Thankfully God is a forgiving and merciful God, standing ready to forgive us.
"So BobBobbins/IWA or whoever you are, you have ZERO credibility as you have been caught in lies in your identity which makes one question most everything you write other than pure Scripture....and I would look every verse up that you cite for accuracy.
The discussion is over the treatment of people who have been married and their marriage ended in divorce.
Even in your responses Bob/IWA you contradict yourself stating divorce is forbidden based on God hating divorce and then state that Jesus said one could divorce for Biblical reasons. Yes, God hates divorce because divorce is caused by sin. There are Biblical grounds for divorce. No, divorce is not commanded any more than marriage is commanded.
Since we are all guilty of sin, big or small...and lying is a sin, too...we are considered guilty of them all.
We should be careful in how we judge others or condemn for any sin, that is the point of this thread. By jumping to conclusions about people, we often make judgments about them before we have all the facts. One of the points of the stone throwing example Christ gave has to do as much with those who were so quick to judge someone caught in obvious sin that they ignored their own sins."
"I have not lied nor misrepresented myself on this thread or any other thread. If you disagree with the explanations I clearly state are mine and not Scripture that is your choice. How you disagree and present your disagreement is inappropriate for a person who claims he is a Christian.
The Bible is clear on how we are to interact with others, be they brother, sister, or enemy.
I will continue to post Scripture and allow those who read to discern the truth. It is not my words, your words, or any other mere human's words that really make a difference. Feel free to badger me to apologize but I have not lied about or to you.
If you are offended by the Scriptures I post, then your issue is with God, not me. This is not the only thread you have presented a critical attitude towards posting of Scripture.
This is still a Christian website, so Christians should be glad to see Scripture whether they like what it says or not. I much prefer reading Scripture than any man's or woman's interpretation."
"Scripture is Truth...human interpretation of Scripture is not equivalent to the Truth.
If someone posts a verse from the Bible, they have cited the Truth. How one interprets it can make it into something other than the truth.
How we respond to others that we agree or disagree with shows the Autry of the spirit in us. As Christians we should strive to display the fruits of the Holy Spirit even to those who are not in alignment with your interpretation.
Yelling, screaming, ranting, raving, never achieves the goal of persuading someone that you are right. Christians should try to live as Romans 12 describes...and strive to love peaceably with all."
"The argument now is over the speck instead of the overarching issue of the OP...we do not have to completely dissect every word of every verse to understand the truth.
Is divorce allowed? yes.
Is remarriage allowed? Yes, if the divorce is Biblical.
We shouldn't automatically dismiss pr treat someone badly because they were divorced, which is often the case in many churches and by many individuals...no matter the cause of the divorce.
We should be slow to judge and careful with our words and action towards others. When we condemn others we are really condemning ourselves...we are all guilty of some sin, big or small...so we are in reality guilty of them all.
Thankfully God is a forgiving and merciful God, standing ready to forgive us.
"So BobBobbins/IWA or whoever you are, you have ZERO credibility as you have been caught in lies in your identity which makes one question most everything you write other than pure Scripture....and I would look every verse up that you cite for accuracy.
The discussion is over the treatment of people who have been married and their marriage ended in divorce.
Even in your responses Bob/IWA you contradict yourself stating divorce is forbidden based on God hating divorce and then state that Jesus said one could divorce for Biblical reasons. Yes, God hates divorce because divorce is caused by sin. There are Biblical grounds for divorce. No, divorce is not commanded any more than marriage is commanded.
Since we are all guilty of sin, big or small...and lying is a sin, too...we are considered guilty of them all.
We should be careful in how we judge others or condemn for any sin, that is the point of this thread. By jumping to conclusions about people, we often make judgments about them before we have all the facts. One of the points of the stone throwing example Christ gave has to do as much with those who were so quick to judge someone caught in obvious sin that they ignored their own sins."
"I have not lied nor misrepresented myself on this thread or any other thread. If you disagree with the explanations I clearly state are mine and not Scripture that is your choice. How you disagree and present your disagreement is inappropriate for a person who claims he is a Christian.
The Bible is clear on how we are to interact with others, be they brother, sister, or enemy.
I will continue to post Scripture and allow those who read to discern the truth. It is not my words, your words, or any other mere human's words that really make a difference. Feel free to badger me to apologize but I have not lied about or to you.
If you are offended by the Scriptures I post, then your issue is with God, not me. This is not the only thread you have presented a critical attitude towards posting of Scripture.
This is still a Christian website, so Christians should be glad to see Scripture whether they like what it says or not. I much prefer reading Scripture than any man's or woman's interpretation."
"Scripture is Truth...human interpretation of Scripture is not equivalent to the Truth.
If someone posts a verse from the Bible, they have cited the Truth. How one interprets it can make it into something other than the truth.
How we respond to others that we agree or disagree with shows the Autry of the spirit in us. As Christians we should strive to display the fruits of the Holy Spirit even to those who are not in alignment with your interpretation.
Yelling, screaming, ranting, raving, never achieves the goal of persuading someone that you are right. Christians should try to live as Romans 12 describes...and strive to love peaceably with all."
"The argument now is over the speck instead of the overarching issue of the OP...we do not have to completely dissect every word of every verse to understand the truth.
Is divorce allowed? yes.
Is remarriage allowed? Yes, if the divorce is Biblical.
We shouldn't automatically dismiss pr treat someone badly because they were divorced, which is often the case in many churches and by many individuals...no matter the cause of the divorce.
We should be slow to judge and careful with our words and action towards others. When we condemn others we are really condemning ourselves...we are all guilty of some sin, big or small...so we are in reality guilty of them all.
Thankfully God is a forgiving and merciful God, standing ready to forgive us.
"So BobBobbins/IWA or whoever you are, you have ZERO credibility as you have been caught in lies in your identity which makes one question most everything you write other than pure Scripture....and I would look every verse up that you cite for accuracy.
The discussion is over the treatment of people who have been married and their marriage ended in divorce.
Even in your responses Bob/IWA you contradict yourself stating divorce is forbidden based on God hating divorce and then state that Jesus said one could divorce for Biblical reasons. Yes, God hates divorce because divorce is caused by sin. There are Biblical grounds for divorce. No, divorce is not commanded any more than marriage is commanded.
Since we are all guilty of sin, big or small...and lying is a sin, too...we are considered guilty of them all.
We should be careful in how we judge others or condemn for any sin, that is the point of this thread. By jumping to conclusions about people, we often make judgments about them before we have all the facts. One of the points of the stone throwing example Christ gave has to do as much with those who were so quick to judge someone caught in obvious sin that they ignored their own sins."
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 24 Nov, 2013 12:54 AM
Singer4u says: "I also request that you show myself and every other viewer on this forum where IWA lied about his identity"
IWalkAlone says: "Proven to be a fraud? Really? When was this proven? Lied about my true identity? Really? when did I do this? caught in lies about my identity? Really?
The EVIDENCE:
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 01:52 PM by GodsJude:
"See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 02:50 PM by IWalk Alone accusing Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins:
"Jude --You are disruptive and contentious. Please let the men hash out the Scripture.
The Ninth Commandment is found in Exodus 20:16: �You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:36 PM by Gods Jude:
"IWA...I bear NO False witness about who you were nor who you are...you may deny it all you like...it doesn't make the Truth of my statement any less TRUTHFUL."
Posted : 16 Nov, 2013 09:47 PM by IWalkAlone again denying the accusation that he really is BobBobbins:
"Jude --As far as I am concerned, there is NO truth in you."
Posted : 18 Nov, 2013 10:19 PM by IWalkAlone making an unintended blooper:
"Teach --On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 01:53 PM by teach_ib revealing the truth about the man who calls himself IWalkAlone:
"First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time"
Posted : 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM by IWalkAlone:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Posted: 23 Nov, 2013 10:30 PM by IWalkAlone admitting for the very first time on this site that he is in fact BobBobbins:
"Paul and Teach --Notice that Paul's "evidence" shows me admitting who I am -- not denying it. This was my own public admission. Far from denying it or hiding it, I admit to it myself."
On 19 Nov, 2013 02:18 PM, the man who calls himself IWalkAlone says:
"Teach--I have no reservations in saying that I find you to be one of the most openly dishonest people that I have ever dealt with. Anywhere."
Paul writes: Folks can you believe it? This man who calls himself, IWalkAlone, who has been portraying himself as a man of truth is now proven to be a fraud and a hypocrite. On Nov.16, IWalkAlone accuses Gods Jude of falsely accusing him of being BobBobbins, quoting Exodus 20:16 in his defence. It was not until Nov. 23 when IWalkAlone actually admits that he is in fact BobBobbins. For a full 7 days, he has lived the lie of deception and on Nov.19, while still living this lie, IWalkAlone accused teach_ib of being "dishonest". Well did Jesus call you Pharisees�HYPOCRITES!!
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, YOU HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY ON THIS FORUM. YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AS A FRAUD AND A HYPOCRITE!!
Thank you Gods Jude and teach_ib for exposing the real identity of the man who calls himself, IWalkAlone. So we have the banned BobBobbins returning under a different name. What an absolute fraud you are IWalkAlone/BobBobbins. You think by hiding behind the picture of some bearded man, that somehow you would not be found out. Well, you have been found out�.
GODSJUDE INSIGHT: "See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here."
The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist". When forced to prove your claim that I am a legalist, you supplied a non-Biblical explanation of legalist. "
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time. �As for a non-Biblical explanation, I provided the definition I used in referring to you and Singer on the way you were presenting your views. �I don't believe the term "legalist" is in the Bible so any description would fundamentally be non-Biblical. �Whether you agree with my definition or description or impression of you is not relevant."
The banned BobBobbins, who now calls himself IWalkAlone, accuses Paul with this statement: "Here, he is promoting another devilish idea that a woman should instruct a man."
Paul's response: devilish idea? Really? Have you not read� "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgement" (Judges 4::4-5). Here is a woman, chosen by God, instructing men, and you, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, say it's a "devilish idea".
Well did Jesus call you Pharisees for who you really are�hypocrites. For you feign to be a God-fearing man to the reader while at the same time mocking God's idea of choosing a woman (Deborah) to instruct men, calling it a "devilish idea". You ignore the Word of God in Acts 21:9, Joel 2:28-29, and Acts 2:17-18 where God says "Your daughters will prophesy�. and on My maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they shall prophesy", and instead you concentrate on one single verse, "And I do not suffer a woman to teach" (1Timothy 2:12). Hypocrite!!! You blind guide. You ignore the weightier evidence in scripture that God uses women to instruct men today while you make up your own doctrine.
In regards to my article, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you have ignored and mocked Jesus' very own words in Matthew 19:10-12, and concentrated on verse 9 alone. You hypocrite. The same Jesus who spoke verse 9 also spoke verse 10, 11 and 12.
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying was Jesus speaking of? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce. Your issue, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, is not with me but with the Word of God. And just as the Pharisees hated Jesus because He did not fit into their man-made doctrines, so you do the same.
One thing is for certain, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you do not speak for God. The very scripture you quoted now becomes your condemnation: "To the law and to the testimony: if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).
For those readers who are not aware of what IWalkAlone posted here under the name BobBobbins, let me refresh your memory:
BobBobbins says, "Now please be sure to issue your standard verbose response to confuse all the readers.".. the only confusion the readers have here is in your hypocrisy.
BobBobbins says, "Also, don't forget your standard "thank you .. yada yada yada..".post to Teach_iib."..as you wish. But the post on "works" is for the benefit of all the readers. The Word of God speaks for itself.
Paul says, "BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous, Teach ib and I are one in spirit. "
This statement is so true! You see Bob, that's the beauty of being one in spirit with God's Spirit of mercy and grace. We are able to love one another and still hold different views. I am quite sure teach ib and I will not agree on everything�it really doesn't matter. But what we do agree on is this: that God is "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin" (Exodus 34:6-7a). That is God's very nature, and He wants that in His children.
You see, I was once a Pharisee, a legalist, a stone thrower, just like you and Singer, until God opened my eyes and showed me His nature of mercy and grace. I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they were physically beaten daily by their husbands. I began to show mercy to divorced women whose husbands were unrepentant pornographers who were guilty of committing adultery in their mind. And I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they had been mentally abused by their husbands until they prayed for death to escape. I threw down my stones and started showing mercy to these women, instead of beating on them with God's Word.
Now you may be wondering, why don't I show mercy to you guys? The answer is very simple: "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy" (James 2:13).
BobBobbins says, "Who is the liar here?" . . .YOU ARE!!!! The readers only have to read this post to see what kind of a liar you really are. In one breath, you offer an olive branch to me. In the next breath you make an accusation against me. In one breath you say, "Happy Father's Day." In the next breath, you say, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective." You HYPOCRITE!!! Do you think the readers are that gullible not to see your deceitful ways? PRETENDING to want peace and spitting out your poisonous words at the same time. You, BobBobbins, and Singer4u,have been exposed as frauds, and it is obvious to everyone that you are desperately trying to keep your sinking ship of legalism afloat. But I have news for you. It will not stand against the Word of God!
BobBobbins says, "Paul and Teach_ib can not even agree between themselves what the Biblical grounds for divorce are. Paul holds one standard and teach_ib holds another"
BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous. Teach ib and I are one in spirit. She knows and loves the God of mercy and grace, as I do, and is known by Him. And you would do well to hold your tongue against the daughter of the King. God will not hold you guiltless!
BobBobbins quotes God's word, Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Exactly, all the righteous requirements of the law ARE ALREADY FULFILLED in HIM. That righteousness is not based on you keeping the letter of the law, BUT IN ACCEPTING HIS RIGHTEOUNESS OVER YOURS. I will take the liberty to add your names to the following scripture:
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (BobBobbins and Singer4u) is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For CHRIST is the END of the law to everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).
BobBobbins says, "If this is true, Jesus was the most shining example of a legalist." Hardly. Jesus wasn't a hypocrite, never condemned anyone, and was always showing mercy. You, BobBobbins and Singer4u, do not even know what spirit you are of.
BobBobbins says, "Happy Father's Day!" . . . "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective" . . .Hmmm . . . For some reason, after looking at your hypocritical words, I don't believe you are sincere. I wonder why.
BobBobbins says, "I truly hope that at some point you will lay aside your hatred and your anger" . . . I'm sorry to disappoint you BobBobbins. I have nether anger nor hatred toward Singer or you. I do however feel sorry for you both that in your zealousness to keep the letter of the law, you have missed God's mercy.
BobBobbins says, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective. I have proven this over and over for days" . . .the only thing you have proven to the readers and myself is that my article is correct and that it exposed two modern-day Pharisees who are legalists and stone-throwers, namely yourself and Singer4u. And for that I rejoice.
BobBobbins says, "Did I make any comments anywhere about what a woman should or should not wear?" No, but we are all waiting. For you quote the Word of God in a legalistic manner. You quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "Where is this verse in the Bible that states these as exceptions?" (read above and below)
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11)
"neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks" (Ephesians 5:4). And where in the Bible, BobBobbins does it say when humorous talk becomes foolish talk and joking becomes coarse jesting? Your interpretation of foolish talk will no doubt be different from mine. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience when we step out of line.
"in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (1Timothy 2:9-10).
Now, BobBobbins, do tell all the women on this site what constitutes modest apparel . . .a dress down to the floor, a dress down to their ankles, or a dress going 1 foot 6 inches past the knees. Now tell them to throw out their jewelry and their gold wedding band and their diamond engagement ring as women who profess godliness. And also supply your address and phone number, so that they can contact you and give you a piece of their mind.
There are no exact details given in scripture for what constitutes modest apparel. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience as individuals when we step out of line.
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "NOTICE: Does he accept a truce? Does he offer forgiveness? Does he show any humility whatsoever? Does he offer his own apology?? What does he do? He demands that Singer must bow to his terms in order to receive the kingdom ( Paul's respect)"
Peter denied Jesus publicly 3 times. Jesus demanded Peter confess Him publicly 3 times.(John 21:15-17) Singer4u maligned me publicly. He needs to make a public apology. I was testing Singer4u to see if his apology was sincere. And just like your phony olive-branch offering, BobBobbins, the readers soon discovered the truth.
BobBobbins says, "This is an attempt to build an honest understanding through extension of an olive branch." Then BobBobbins follows with this statement: "Now he (Paul) takes a most haughty and prideful position - he can not be bothered to even address such lowly and ridiculous people such as Singer and I" . . . all I can say is you have a funny way of extending an olive branch. Perhaps you meant poison ivy?
BobBobbins says, "He does not say that I have misinterpreted the word of God." (you have) "but merely his articles. However, he does not show how I have done so." . . .really?
BobBobbins and Singer4u. There's really nothing more to be said to you that has not already been said. So I will continue to repeat it until you hopefully get the message.
So BobBobbins and Singer4u, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your accusations are unfounded and your interpretations of my article incorrect. Stone throwers all have something in common: They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. They boast in the keeping of the letter of the law while ignoring the weightier matters of justice, mercy and faith. And besides all this, they have one other notable characteristic . . . they are hypocrites. Matthew 23:23-28.
I have been FALSELY accused by you both, implying that I said Jesus sinned. I never said Jesus sinned. YOU DID! You made the ASSUMPTION that Jesus would have sinned if He had broken the Sabbath--I DID NOT. All I said was Jesus broke the Sabbath. Then you drew out your proverbial stones and said the following:
BobBobbins says, "Jesus never broke the sabbath. If he had done so, he would not have been able to fulfill the law. Your salvation could not have occurred. I am not sure where you get such ridiculous ideas. That is completely absurd and totally false."
My response: Absurd and totally false? . . .Really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Singer4u says, "Paul and Goldenfaith both said in their writings on this forum that Yahushua broke Sabbath. That is impossible! You two should know better than that and to say it is total heresy!!! YOU ARE SAYING HE SINNED!"
My response: heresy? . . .really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
It is very clear in the Word of God that Jesus BROKE the Sabbath. It also says in the Word of God that Jesus NEVER sinned. I have no problem with both scriptures. It is you, Singer4u and BobBobbins, who have exalted yourselves above the Word of God to add your own interpretation to John 5:18. You both claim that Jesus could not have broken the Sabbath. Since when does your word override God's Word? You claim to be defenders of the Word, yet you are woefully ignorant of it.
"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, 'Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'"
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
"how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
"Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
"Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
"But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would have not condemned the guiltless.
"For the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:2-8)
Oh yes, Jesus broke the Sabbath, but He never sinned. He was WORKING on the Sabbath healing people, but He never sinned, for He was doing exactly what the Father told Him to do. JESUS IS LORD even of the Sabbath.
And now in regards to Singer4u and BobBobbins adamant stand on the reasons for divorce. Both of you have ignored Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11:
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'"
You both ignore Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11 and quote only Matthew 19:9. Hypocrites! Is Jesus' Word spoken in verse 11 any less anointed than verse 9? You blind guides, you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. Jesus said, ALL CANNOT ACCEPT the saying that fornication is the only reason for divorce, 'but only those to whom it has been given.'"
So Singer4u and BobBobbins accept that fornication is the only reason for divorce. Good for you. That's between you and God. Jesus said "ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS SAYING." And whether you like it or not, Singer4u and BobBobbins, the LORD JESUS makes it clear that He accepts other believers who have views on divorce contrary to yours.
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins writes: "I have been encouraged by others who care about me to walk away from this thread." �sounds like good advice.
Singer4u says, "hear that paul! Don't judge the person judge the actions" �Thank you�I already have. Read below.
Singer4u, you defend IWalkAlone/Bob Bobbins, even though he was proven to be a fraud, having lied about his true identity. He was and is living the lie, while at the same time passing himself off as a man of truth. That's called hypocrisy. He has lost all credibility and anyone who defends him is like him.
"Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" (Amos 3:3)
"Scripture is Truth...human interpretation of Scripture is not equivalent to the Truth.
If someone posts a verse from the Bible, they have cited the Truth. How one interprets it can make it into something other than the truth.
How we respond to others that we agree or disagree with shows the Autry of the spirit in us. As Christians we should strive to display the fruits of the Holy Spirit even to those who are not in alignment with your interpretation.
Yelling, screaming, ranting, raving, never achieves the goal of persuading someone that you are right. Christians should try to live as Romans 12 describes...and strive to love peaceably with all."
"The argument now is over the speck instead of the overarching issue of the OP...we do not have to completely dissect every word of every verse to understand the truth.
Is divorce allowed? yes.
Is remarriage allowed? Yes, if the divorce is Biblical.
We shouldn't automatically dismiss pr treat someone badly because they were divorced, which is often the case in many churches and by many individuals...no matter the cause of the divorce.
We should be slow to judge and careful with our words and action towards others. When we condemn others we are really condemning ourselves...we are all guilty of some sin, big or small...so we are in reality guilty of them all.
Thankfully God is a forgiving and merciful God, standing ready to forgive us.
"So BobBobbins/IWA or whoever you are, you have ZERO credibility as you have been caught in lies in your identity which makes one question most everything you write other than pure Scripture....and I would look every verse up that you cite for accuracy.
The discussion is over the treatment of people who have been married and their marriage ended in divorce.
Even in your responses Bob/IWA you contradict yourself stating divorce is forbidden based on God hating divorce and then state that Jesus said one could divorce for Biblical reasons. Yes, God hates divorce because divorce is caused by sin. There are Biblical grounds for divorce. No, divorce is not commanded any more than marriage is commanded.
Since we are all guilty of sin, big or small...and lying is a sin, too...we are considered guilty of them all.
We should be careful in how we judge others or condemn for any sin, that is the point of this thread. By jumping to conclusions about people, we often make judgments about them before we have all the facts. One of the points of the stone throwing example Christ gave has to do as much with those who were so quick to judge someone caught in obvious sin that they ignored their own sins."
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 23 Nov, 2013 10:33 PM
Singer4u says: "I also request that you show myself and every other viewer on this forum where IWA lied about his identity"
IWalkAlone says: "Proven to be a fraud? Really? When was this proven?"
The evidence: The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist".
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time."
Thank you Gods Jude and teach_ib for exposing the real identity of the man who calls himself, IWalkAlone. So we have the banned BobBobbins returning under a different name. What an absolute fraud you are IWalkAlone/BobBobbins. You think by hiding behind the picture of some bearded man, that somehow you would not be found out. Well, you have been found out�.
GODSJUDE INSIGHT: "See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here."
The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist". When forced to prove your claim that I am a legalist, you supplied a non-Biblical explanation of legalist. "
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time. �As for a non-Biblical explanation, I provided the definition I used in referring to you and Singer on the way you were presenting your views. �I don't believe the term "legalist" is in the Bible so any description would fundamentally be non-Biblical. �Whether you agree with my definition or description or impression of you is not relevant."
The banned BobBobbins, who now calls himself IWalkAlone, accuses Paul with this statement: "Here, he is promoting another devilish idea that a woman should instruct a man."
Paul's response: devilish idea? Really? Have you not read� "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgement" (Judges 4::4-5). Here is a woman, chosen by God, instructing men, and you, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, say it's a "devilish idea".
Well did Jesus call you Pharisees for who you really are�hypocrites. For you feign to be a God-fearing man to the reader while at the same time mocking God's idea of choosing a woman (Deborah) to instruct men, calling it a "devilish idea". You ignore the Word of God in Acts 21:9, Joel 2:28-29, and Acts 2:17-18 where God says "Your daughters will prophesy�. and on My maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they shall prophesy", and instead you concentrate on one single verse, "And I do not suffer a woman to teach" (1Timothy 2:12). Hypocrite!!! You blind guide. You ignore the weightier evidence in scripture that God uses women to instruct men today while you make up your own doctrine.
In regards to my article, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you have ignored and mocked Jesus' very own words in Matthew 19:10-12, and concentrated on verse 9 alone. You hypocrite. The same Jesus who spoke verse 9 also spoke verse 10, 11 and 12.
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying was Jesus speaking of? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce. Your issue, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, is not with me but with the Word of God. And just as the Pharisees hated Jesus because He did not fit into their man-made doctrines, so you do the same.
One thing is for certain, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you do not speak for God. The very scripture you quoted now becomes your condemnation: "To the law and to the testimony: if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).
For those readers who are not aware of what IWalkAlone posted here under the name BobBobbins, let me refresh your memory:
BobBobbins says, "Now please be sure to issue your standard verbose response to confuse all the readers.".. the only confusion the readers have here is in your hypocrisy.
BobBobbins says, "Also, don't forget your standard "thank you .. yada yada yada..".post to Teach_iib."..as you wish. But the post on "works" is for the benefit of all the readers. The Word of God speaks for itself.
Paul says, "BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous, Teach ib and I are one in spirit. "
This statement is so true! You see Bob, that's the beauty of being one in spirit with God's Spirit of mercy and grace. We are able to love one another and still hold different views. I am quite sure teach ib and I will not agree on everything�it really doesn't matter. But what we do agree on is this: that God is "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin" (Exodus 34:6-7a). That is God's very nature, and He wants that in His children.
You see, I was once a Pharisee, a legalist, a stone thrower, just like you and Singer, until God opened my eyes and showed me His nature of mercy and grace. I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they were physically beaten daily by their husbands. I began to show mercy to divorced women whose husbands were unrepentant pornographers who were guilty of committing adultery in their mind. And I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they had been mentally abused by their husbands until they prayed for death to escape. I threw down my stones and started showing mercy to these women, instead of beating on them with God's Word.
Now you may be wondering, why don't I show mercy to you guys? The answer is very simple: "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy" (James 2:13).
BobBobbins says, "Who is the liar here?" . . .YOU ARE!!!! The readers only have to read this post to see what kind of a liar you really are. In one breath, you offer an olive branch to me. In the next breath you make an accusation against me. In one breath you say, "Happy Father's Day." In the next breath, you say, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective." You HYPOCRITE!!! Do you think the readers are that gullible not to see your deceitful ways? PRETENDING to want peace and spitting out your poisonous words at the same time. You, BobBobbins, and Singer4u,have been exposed as frauds, and it is obvious to everyone that you are desperately trying to keep your sinking ship of legalism afloat. But I have news for you. It will not stand against the Word of God!
BobBobbins says, "Paul and Teach_ib can not even agree between themselves what the Biblical grounds for divorce are. Paul holds one standard and teach_ib holds another"
BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous. Teach ib and I are one in spirit. She knows and loves the God of mercy and grace, as I do, and is known by Him. And you would do well to hold your tongue against the daughter of the King. God will not hold you guiltless!
BobBobbins quotes God's word, Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Exactly, all the righteous requirements of the law ARE ALREADY FULFILLED in HIM. That righteousness is not based on you keeping the letter of the law, BUT IN ACCEPTING HIS RIGHTEOUNESS OVER YOURS. I will take the liberty to add your names to the following scripture:
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (BobBobbins and Singer4u) is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For CHRIST is the END of the law to everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).
BobBobbins says, "If this is true, Jesus was the most shining example of a legalist." Hardly. Jesus wasn't a hypocrite, never condemned anyone, and was always showing mercy. You, BobBobbins and Singer4u, do not even know what spirit you are of.
BobBobbins says, "Happy Father's Day!" . . . "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective" . . .Hmmm . . . For some reason, after looking at your hypocritical words, I don't believe you are sincere. I wonder why.
BobBobbins says, "I truly hope that at some point you will lay aside your hatred and your anger" . . . I'm sorry to disappoint you BobBobbins. I have nether anger nor hatred toward Singer or you. I do however feel sorry for you both that in your zealousness to keep the letter of the law, you have missed God's mercy.
BobBobbins says, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective. I have proven this over and over for days" . . .the only thing you have proven to the readers and myself is that my article is correct and that it exposed two modern-day Pharisees who are legalists and stone-throwers, namely yourself and Singer4u. And for that I rejoice.
BobBobbins says, "Did I make any comments anywhere about what a woman should or should not wear?" No, but we are all waiting. For you quote the Word of God in a legalistic manner. You quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "Where is this verse in the Bible that states these as exceptions?" (read above and below)
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11)
"neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks" (Ephesians 5:4). And where in the Bible, BobBobbins does it say when humorous talk becomes foolish talk and joking becomes coarse jesting? Your interpretation of foolish talk will no doubt be different from mine. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience when we step out of line.
"in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (1Timothy 2:9-10).
Now, BobBobbins, do tell all the women on this site what constitutes modest apparel . . .a dress down to the floor, a dress down to their ankles, or a dress going 1 foot 6 inches past the knees. Now tell them to throw out their jewelry and their gold wedding band and their diamond engagement ring as women who profess godliness. And also supply your address and phone number, so that they can contact you and give you a piece of their mind.
There are no exact details given in scripture for what constitutes modest apparel. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience as individuals when we step out of line.
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "NOTICE: Does he accept a truce? Does he offer forgiveness? Does he show any humility whatsoever? Does he offer his own apology?? What does he do? He demands that Singer must bow to his terms in order to receive the kingdom ( Paul's respect)"
Peter denied Jesus publicly 3 times. Jesus demanded Peter confess Him publicly 3 times.(John 21:15-17) Singer4u maligned me publicly. He needs to make a public apology. I was testing Singer4u to see if his apology was sincere. And just like your phony olive-branch offering, BobBobbins, the readers soon discovered the truth.
BobBobbins says, "This is an attempt to build an honest understanding through extension of an olive branch." Then BobBobbins follows with this statement: "Now he (Paul) takes a most haughty and prideful position - he can not be bothered to even address such lowly and ridiculous people such as Singer and I" . . . all I can say is you have a funny way of extending an olive branch. Perhaps you meant poison ivy?
BobBobbins says, "He does not say that I have misinterpreted the word of God." (you have) "but merely his articles. However, he does not show how I have done so." . . .really?
BobBobbins and Singer4u. There's really nothing more to be said to you that has not already been said. So I will continue to repeat it until you hopefully get the message.
So BobBobbins and Singer4u, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your accusations are unfounded and your interpretations of my article incorrect. Stone throwers all have something in common: They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. They boast in the keeping of the letter of the law while ignoring the weightier matters of justice, mercy and faith. And besides all this, they have one other notable characteristic . . . they are hypocrites. Matthew 23:23-28.
I have been FALSELY accused by you both, implying that I said Jesus sinned. I never said Jesus sinned. YOU DID! You made the ASSUMPTION that Jesus would have sinned if He had broken the Sabbath--I DID NOT. All I said was Jesus broke the Sabbath. Then you drew out your proverbial stones and said the following:
BobBobbins says, "Jesus never broke the sabbath. If he had done so, he would not have been able to fulfill the law. Your salvation could not have occurred. I am not sure where you get such ridiculous ideas. That is completely absurd and totally false."
My response: Absurd and totally false? . . .Really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Singer4u says, "Paul and Goldenfaith both said in their writings on this forum that Yahushua broke Sabbath. That is impossible! You two should know better than that and to say it is total heresy!!! YOU ARE SAYING HE SINNED!"
My response: heresy? . . .really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
It is very clear in the Word of God that Jesus BROKE the Sabbath. It also says in the Word of God that Jesus NEVER sinned. I have no problem with both scriptures. It is you, Singer4u and BobBobbins, who have exalted yourselves above the Word of God to add your own interpretation to John 5:18. You both claim that Jesus could not have broken the Sabbath. Since when does your word override God's Word? You claim to be defenders of the Word, yet you are woefully ignorant of it.
"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, 'Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'"
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
"how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
"Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
"Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
"But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would have not condemned the guiltless.
"For the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:2-8)
Oh yes, Jesus broke the Sabbath, but He never sinned. He was WORKING on the Sabbath healing people, but He never sinned, for He was doing exactly what the Father told Him to do. JESUS IS LORD even of the Sabbath.
And now in regards to Singer4u and BobBobbins adamant stand on the reasons for divorce. Both of you have ignored Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11:
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'"
You both ignore Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11 and quote only Matthew 19:9. Hypocrites! Is Jesus' Word spoken in verse 11 any less anointed than verse 9? You blind guides, you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. Jesus said, ALL CANNOT ACCEPT the saying that fornication is the only reason for divorce, 'but only those to whom it has been given.'"
So Singer4u and BobBobbins accept that fornication is the only reason for divorce. Good for you. That's between you and God. Jesus said "ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS SAYING." And whether you like it or not, Singer4u and BobBobbins, the LORD JESUS makes it clear that He accepts other believers who have views on divorce contrary to yours.
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins writes: "I have been encouraged by others who care about me to walk away from this thread." �sounds like good advice.
Singer4u says, "hear that paul! Don't judge the person judge the actions" �Thank you�I already have. Read below.
Singer4u, you defend IWalkAlone/Bob Bobbins, even though he was proven to be a fraud, having lied about his true identity. He was and is living the lie, while at the same time passing himself off as a man of truth. That's called hypocrisy. He has lost all credibility and anyone who defends him is like him.
"Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" (Amos 3:3)
"Scripture is Truth...human interpretation of Scripture is not equivalent to the Truth.
If someone posts a verse from the Bible, they have cited the Truth. How one interprets it can make it into something other than the truth.
How we respond to others that we agree or disagree with shows the Autry of the spirit in us. As Christians we should strive to display the fruits of the Holy Spirit even to those who are not in alignment with your interpretation.
Yelling, screaming, ranting, raving, never achieves the goal of persuading someone that you are right. Christians should try to live as Romans 12 describes...and strive to love peaceably with all."
"The argument now is over the speck instead of the overarching issue of the OP...we do not have to completely dissect every word of every verse to understand the truth.
Is divorce allowed? yes.
Is remarriage allowed? Yes, if the divorce is Biblical.
We shouldn't automatically dismiss pr treat someone badly because they were divorced, which is often the case in many churches and by many individuals...no matter the cause of the divorce.
We should be slow to judge and careful with our words and action towards others. When we condemn others we are really condemning ourselves...we are all guilty of some sin, big or small...so we are in reality guilty of them all.
Thankfully God is a forgiving and merciful God, standing ready to forgive us.
"So BobBobbins/IWA or whoever you are, you have ZERO credibility as you have been caught in lies in your identity which makes one question most everything you write other than pure Scripture....and I would look every verse up that you cite for accuracy.
The discussion is over the treatment of people who have been married and their marriage ended in divorce.
Even in your responses Bob/IWA you contradict yourself stating divorce is forbidden based on God hating divorce and then state that Jesus said one could divorce for Biblical reasons. Yes, God hates divorce because divorce is caused by sin. There are Biblical grounds for divorce. No, divorce is not commanded any more than marriage is commanded.
Since we are all guilty of sin, big or small...and lying is a sin, too...we are considered guilty of them all.
We should be careful in how we judge others or condemn for any sin, that is the point of this thread. By jumping to conclusions about people, we often make judgments about them before we have all the facts. One of the points of the stone throwing example Christ gave has to do as much with those who were so quick to judge someone caught in obvious sin that they ignored their own sins."
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 23 Nov, 2013 10:25 PM
Singer4u says: "I also request that you show myself and every other viewer on this forum where IWA lied about his identity"
IWalkAlone says: "Proven to be a fraud? Really? When was this proven?"
The evidence: The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist".
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time."
Thank you Gods Jude and teach_ib for exposing the real identity of the man who calls himself, IWalkAlone. So we have the banned BobBobbins returning under a different name. What an absolute fraud you are IWalkAlone/BobBobbins. You think by hiding behind the picture of some bearded man, that somehow you would not be found out. Well, you have been found out�.
GODSJUDE INSIGHT: "See what I mean Paul...IWA is actually the Bob Bobbins that posted earlier in your Thread...He got banned a ways back...and true to his nature...he returns under another screen "name" to continue his Hypocritical behavior...its just what he does here."
The man who calls himself IWalkAlone wrote to teach_ib and said: "On Jun 5, 2012, you introduced yourself to me (a complete stranger to you) by calling me a "legalist". When forced to prove your claim that I am a legalist, you supplied a non-Biblical explanation of legalist. "
TEACH_IB REVEALS THE TRUTH: "First of all I introduced myself to the thread on that date...you have now confirmed you are the previously banned BobBobbins as IWA was not on the thread at that time. �As for a non-Biblical explanation, I provided the definition I used in referring to you and Singer on the way you were presenting your views. �I don't believe the term "legalist" is in the Bible so any description would fundamentally be non-Biblical. �Whether you agree with my definition or description or impression of you is not relevant."
The banned BobBobbins, who now calls himself IWalkAlone, accuses Paul with this statement: "Here, he is promoting another devilish idea that a woman should instruct a man."
Paul's response: devilish idea? Really? Have you not read� "Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time. And she would sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of Ephraim. And the children of Israel came up to her for judgement" (Judges 4::4-5). Here is a woman, chosen by God, instructing men, and you, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, say it's a "devilish idea".
Well did Jesus call you Pharisees for who you really are�hypocrites. For you feign to be a God-fearing man to the reader while at the same time mocking God's idea of choosing a woman (Deborah) to instruct men, calling it a "devilish idea". You ignore the Word of God in Acts 21:9, Joel 2:28-29, and Acts 2:17-18 where God says "Your daughters will prophesy�. and on My maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they shall prophesy", and instead you concentrate on one single verse, "And I do not suffer a woman to teach" (1Timothy 2:12). Hypocrite!!! You blind guide. You ignore the weightier evidence in scripture that God uses women to instruct men today while you make up your own doctrine.
In regards to my article, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you have ignored and mocked Jesus' very own words in Matthew 19:10-12, and concentrated on verse 9 alone. You hypocrite. The same Jesus who spoke verse 9 also spoke verse 10, 11 and 12.
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11).
What saying was Jesus speaking of? The saying in verse 9 of course. NOT ALL can accept the saying that fornication is the ONLY reason for divorce. Your issue, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, is not with me but with the Word of God. And just as the Pharisees hated Jesus because He did not fit into their man-made doctrines, so you do the same.
One thing is for certain, IWalkAlone/BobBobbins, you do not speak for God. The very scripture you quoted now becomes your condemnation: "To the law and to the testimony: if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).
For those readers who are not aware of what IWalkAlone posted here under the name BobBobbins, let me refresh your memory:
BobBobbins says, "Now please be sure to issue your standard verbose response to confuse all the readers.".. the only confusion the readers have here is in your hypocrisy.
BobBobbins says, "Also, don't forget your standard "thank you .. yada yada yada..".post to Teach_iib."..as you wish. But the post on "works" is for the benefit of all the readers. The Word of God speaks for itself.
Paul says, "BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous, Teach ib and I are one in spirit. "
This statement is so true! You see Bob, that's the beauty of being one in spirit with God's Spirit of mercy and grace. We are able to love one another and still hold different views. I am quite sure teach ib and I will not agree on everything�it really doesn't matter. But what we do agree on is this: that God is "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin" (Exodus 34:6-7a). That is God's very nature, and He wants that in His children.
You see, I was once a Pharisee, a legalist, a stone thrower, just like you and Singer, until God opened my eyes and showed me His nature of mercy and grace. I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they were physically beaten daily by their husbands. I began to show mercy to divorced women whose husbands were unrepentant pornographers who were guilty of committing adultery in their mind. And I began to show mercy to women who divorced because they had been mentally abused by their husbands until they prayed for death to escape. I threw down my stones and started showing mercy to these women, instead of beating on them with God's Word.
Now you may be wondering, why don't I show mercy to you guys? The answer is very simple: "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy" (James 2:13).
BobBobbins says, "Who is the liar here?" . . .YOU ARE!!!! The readers only have to read this post to see what kind of a liar you really are. In one breath, you offer an olive branch to me. In the next breath you make an accusation against me. In one breath you say, "Happy Father's Day." In the next breath, you say, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective." You HYPOCRITE!!! Do you think the readers are that gullible not to see your deceitful ways? PRETENDING to want peace and spitting out your poisonous words at the same time. You, BobBobbins, and Singer4u,have been exposed as frauds, and it is obvious to everyone that you are desperately trying to keep your sinking ship of legalism afloat. But I have news for you. It will not stand against the Word of God!
BobBobbins says, "Paul and Teach_ib can not even agree between themselves what the Biblical grounds for divorce are. Paul holds one standard and teach_ib holds another"
BobBobbin, you could not be MORE WRONG! Your LIES are outrageous. Teach ib and I are one in spirit. She knows and loves the God of mercy and grace, as I do, and is known by Him. And you would do well to hold your tongue against the daughter of the King. God will not hold you guiltless!
BobBobbins quotes God's word, Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Exactly, all the righteous requirements of the law ARE ALREADY FULFILLED in HIM. That righteousness is not based on you keeping the letter of the law, BUT IN ACCEPTING HIS RIGHTEOUNESS OVER YOURS. I will take the liberty to add your names to the following scripture:
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel (BobBobbins and Singer4u) is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For CHRIST is the END of the law to everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).
BobBobbins says, "If this is true, Jesus was the most shining example of a legalist." Hardly. Jesus wasn't a hypocrite, never condemned anyone, and was always showing mercy. You, BobBobbins and Singer4u, do not even know what spirit you are of.
BobBobbins says, "Happy Father's Day!" . . . "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective" . . .Hmmm . . . For some reason, after looking at your hypocritical words, I don't believe you are sincere. I wonder why.
BobBobbins says, "I truly hope that at some point you will lay aside your hatred and your anger" . . . I'm sorry to disappoint you BobBobbins. I have nether anger nor hatred toward Singer or you. I do however feel sorry for you both that in your zealousness to keep the letter of the law, you have missed God's mercy.
BobBobbins says, "You err in your doctrine and your reasoning is defective. I have proven this over and over for days" . . .the only thing you have proven to the readers and myself is that my article is correct and that it exposed two modern-day Pharisees who are legalists and stone-throwers, namely yourself and Singer4u. And for that I rejoice.
BobBobbins says, "Did I make any comments anywhere about what a woman should or should not wear?" No, but we are all waiting. For you quote the Word of God in a legalistic manner. You quote Matthew 19:9 that fornication is the only reason for divorce. The definition of fornication according to Encarta � World English Dictionary is "sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other"
However, according to Jesus, fornication is "But I say to you that whoever LOOKS at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words. You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband, whether he be a pornographer or one who lusts with his eyes after the women in the mall (while his wife is shopping) has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "Where is this verse in the Bible that states these as exceptions?" (read above and below)
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'" (Matthew 19:11)
"neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks" (Ephesians 5:4). And where in the Bible, BobBobbins does it say when humorous talk becomes foolish talk and joking becomes coarse jesting? Your interpretation of foolish talk will no doubt be different from mine. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience when we step out of line.
"in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (1Timothy 2:9-10).
Now, BobBobbins, do tell all the women on this site what constitutes modest apparel . . .a dress down to the floor, a dress down to their ankles, or a dress going 1 foot 6 inches past the knees. Now tell them to throw out their jewelry and their gold wedding band and their diamond engagement ring as women who profess godliness. And also supply your address and phone number, so that they can contact you and give you a piece of their mind.
There are no exact details given in scripture for what constitutes modest apparel. That is why we have the Holy Spirit to convict our conscience as individuals when we step out of line.
A man who looks lustfully after a woman is an adulterer according to Jesus' words: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). You do not have to hop into bed and have actual sex with another woman to be an adulterer in God's eyes. Therefore any woman who has such a husband has every right to divorce him, unless he repents.
BobBobbins says, "NOTICE: Does he accept a truce? Does he offer forgiveness? Does he show any humility whatsoever? Does he offer his own apology?? What does he do? He demands that Singer must bow to his terms in order to receive the kingdom ( Paul's respect)"
Peter denied Jesus publicly 3 times. Jesus demanded Peter confess Him publicly 3 times.(John 21:15-17) Singer4u maligned me publicly. He needs to make a public apology. I was testing Singer4u to see if his apology was sincere. And just like your phony olive-branch offering, BobBobbins, the readers soon discovered the truth.
BobBobbins says, "This is an attempt to build an honest understanding through extension of an olive branch." Then BobBobbins follows with this statement: "Now he (Paul) takes a most haughty and prideful position - he can not be bothered to even address such lowly and ridiculous people such as Singer and I" . . . all I can say is you have a funny way of extending an olive branch. Perhaps you meant poison ivy?
BobBobbins says, "He does not say that I have misinterpreted the word of God." (you have) "but merely his articles. However, he does not show how I have done so." . . .really?
BobBobbins and Singer4u. There's really nothing more to be said to you that has not already been said. So I will continue to repeat it until you hopefully get the message.
So BobBobbins and Singer4u, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your accusations are unfounded and your interpretations of my article incorrect. Stone throwers all have something in common: They are usually self-righteous, ready to condemn, and can quote the Word of God. They boast in the keeping of the letter of the law while ignoring the weightier matters of justice, mercy and faith. And besides all this, they have one other notable characteristic . . . they are hypocrites. Matthew 23:23-28.
I have been FALSELY accused by you both, implying that I said Jesus sinned. I never said Jesus sinned. YOU DID! You made the ASSUMPTION that Jesus would have sinned if He had broken the Sabbath--I DID NOT. All I said was Jesus broke the Sabbath. Then you drew out your proverbial stones and said the following:
BobBobbins says, "Jesus never broke the sabbath. If he had done so, he would not have been able to fulfill the law. Your salvation could not have occurred. I am not sure where you get such ridiculous ideas. That is completely absurd and totally false."
My response: Absurd and totally false? . . .Really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Singer4u says, "Paul and Goldenfaith both said in their writings on this forum that Yahushua broke Sabbath. That is impossible! You two should know better than that and to say it is total heresy!!! YOU ARE SAYING HE SINNED!"
My response: heresy? . . .really? "Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father" (John 5:18). According to the apostle John, who wrote that scripture under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit . . .Jesus broke the Sabbath.
It is very clear in the Word of God that Jesus BROKE the Sabbath. It also says in the Word of God that Jesus NEVER sinned. I have no problem with both scriptures. It is you, Singer4u and BobBobbins, who have exalted yourselves above the Word of God to add your own interpretation to John 5:18. You both claim that Jesus could not have broken the Sabbath. Since when does your word override God's Word? You claim to be defenders of the Word, yet you are woefully ignorant of it.
"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, 'Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!'"
But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
"how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
"Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
"Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
"But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would have not condemned the guiltless.
"For the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:2-8)
Oh yes, Jesus broke the Sabbath, but He never sinned. He was WORKING on the Sabbath healing people, but He never sinned, for He was doing exactly what the Father told Him to do. JESUS IS LORD even of the Sabbath.
And now in regards to Singer4u and BobBobbins adamant stand on the reasons for divorce. Both of you have ignored Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11:
"But He said to them, 'All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given'"
You both ignore Jesus' Word spoken in Matthew 19:11 and quote only Matthew 19:9. Hypocrites! Is Jesus' Word spoken in verse 11 any less anointed than verse 9? You blind guides, you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel. Jesus said, ALL CANNOT ACCEPT the saying that fornication is the only reason for divorce, 'but only those to whom it has been given.'"
So Singer4u and BobBobbins accept that fornication is the only reason for divorce. Good for you. That's between you and God. Jesus said "ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS SAYING." And whether you like it or not, Singer4u and BobBobbins, the LORD JESUS makes it clear that He accepts other believers who have views on divorce contrary to yours.
IWalkAlone/BobBobbins writes: "I have been encouraged by others who care about me to walk away from this thread." �sounds like good advice.
Singer4u says, "hear that paul! Don't judge the person judge the actions" �Thank you�I already have. Read below.
Singer4u, you defend IWalkAlone/Bob Bobbins, even though he was proven to be a fraud, having lied about his true identity. He was and is living the lie, while at the same time passing himself off as a man of truth. That's called hypocrisy. He has lost all credibility and anyone who defends him is like him.
"Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" (Amos 3:3)
