importance in knowing the Feast of the LORD--I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD READ THIS
Posted : 25 Dec, 2009 03:48 PM
Dear icebro,
Now, I have read everything you posted, in response to the passages of scriptures, which I posted for your comment. In reading your response, I noticed that, you did not speak of them, nor mention any of the verses, in which the apostle Paul taught specifically against the act of judging a person, over how they do, or do not observe days to the Lord. (Rom. 14 : 5-10), (Gal. 4 : 9-12 ), (Col. 2 :16 )
I also noticed, that you did not give an explain to us, on what you believe the apostle Paul meant, when he wrote them, seeing that you obviously do not believe, that he
meant what he said. You also handled the verses in the book of Mark the same way, Specifically verses 2 : 23-27, where Jesus clearly states his thoughts on the sabbath
day.
Now to make it plain to you, Jesus said that �the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath�. It was created as a day of rest for man, and man was not created
for the purpose of worshiping the sabbath day.
Therefore, as David's need for God's mercy and grace, superceded the law of the showbread, so now too, through Christ, his disciples needs, receive that same dispensation of
grace and mercy, in their own dispensation of time.
3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Eph. 3 : 1-9
4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Read you profile,and saw you pic. The first few things that really catch my eye when viewing profiles, is whether or not the lady is a drinker or smoker, and then the type of relationship she's looking for. If she drinks or smokes, then knowing me personally, and what I am looking for in life, I probably would not contact her due to those habits. This may be a turn off to some of the young guys here, who are really passionate about their faith, and the woman in their life.
I am seeking a partner who values her health, and that is #1 priority for me. This may be turning a few guys away from you, especially if they had someone close to them die from drunk driving, or lung cancer from cigarette abuse.
Just thought you should be aware of that. Also, your choice of the pic with the drink in your hand, may come across that drinking with friends socially, means alot to you. This could be another turn off.
If that is not #1 for you, then you might want to show that radiant smile :glow: in another setting.
That comment about not being needy, and not liking needy people, can come across as being a little self righteous and judgmental, so you might want to elaborate a little bit more on that comment, so as to not be taken the wrong way.
I hope this may have helped you, and wish you the best of success in your quest to find godly friends, which to me, you have found thus far in the people you have met.
importance in knowing the Feast of the LORD--I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD READ THIS
Posted : 23 Dec, 2009 08:19 AM
Hey Mark,
That was very well stated. Hey icebro take a look at these verses, I believe they might help you to understand what we beleive and why.
14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man�s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord�s.
14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother�s way.
Rom. 14 : 1-13
4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his
Son, made of a woman, made under the law,?
4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the
adoption of sons.
4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son
into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then
an heir of God through Christ.
4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them
which by nature are no gods.
4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of
God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements,
whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.
4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not
injured me at all.
Gal. 4 : 4-12
2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world,
and not after Christ.
2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality
and power:
2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made
without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by
the circumcision of Christ:
2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him
through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him
from the dead.
2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your
flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all
trespasses;
2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,
which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to
his cross;
2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of
them openly, triumphing over them in it.
2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of
an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col. 2 : 8-17
2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the
sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the
ears of corn.
2:24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the
sabbath day that which is not lawful?
2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when
he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the
high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat
but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not
man for the sabbath:
2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
3:1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there
which had a withered hand.
3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath
day; that they might accuse him.
3:3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand
forth.
3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath
days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their
peace.
3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being
grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man,
Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was
restored whole as the other.
Mark 2 : 23-28, 3 : 1-4
I hope this is helpful to you in your efforts to understanding why we
beleive the way we do concerning Feast days, and the sabbaths.
importance in knowing the Feast of the LORD--I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD READ THIS
Posted : 21 Dec, 2009 07:18 AM
Dear icebro,
God bless you too my brother. I really enjoy discussing the truths of God's word. To me, that should be the joy of every believer. For it is through the sharing of the word, that we get our edification of the Spirit. We may not see things qiute the same, but if we love Jesus, and we let this truth reign in us, then the peace of God will reign in our hearts as well.
I have much love for all of the saints of God, for we are brothers and sisters in Christ, which should matter the most.
I know this is a question you address to the women on this site, however I discern that the real issue is probably, that you are feeling somewhat rejected, and sorry for yourself, for not being sensative enough to discern what these women where initially hoping to find in starting a relationship with.
I base this on a number things which I have heard, and not heard you say.
First of all, most women have no problem of opening up and telling you exactly how they feel, especially when they have a genuine interest in you. They only want to know that you are truly listening, that you truly care for their feelings, and that you have a genuine interest in them relationship wise.
If she's a serious woman, being weak or strong, she will eventually tell you exactly what she means, by saying that she feels like "you are too good for her", even at the risk of hurting you emotionally.
If she's only looking for someone to occupy her time, with no intentions of becoming serious, she will show you this by her actions, if you are paying attenion.
Now I noticed, that you did not say, wether you bothered to ask these women, why they said what they said, after going so far as to say what they said.
You make it appear as though they told you these things, and offered no explanation, and that you made no serious attempt to get an explanation.
Now if this is what transpired, and you really had strong feelings for these women, why would you allow them to walk off so easily, and not attempt to discover the source of their feelings of inadequacy?
If they did offer an explanation, then why would you ask what you already know? What are you really looking for, in asking?
Does that help make things more clear?
Think about it, and do what you discover you need to do, to make the next experience potentailly less disappointing.
importance in knowing the Feast of the LORD--I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD READ THIS
Posted : 20 Dec, 2009 12:41 AM
Yes my brother, as we advance towards the fulfillment of time, we need to be as stedfast and faithful as the early saints, when it come to remaining loyal to the gospel of Jesus Christ and his holy apostles.
What is popular is not always right, and what is right is not always popular.
importance in knowing the Feast of the LORD--I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD READ THIS
Posted : 18 Dec, 2009 05:26 PM
Again, my purpose for asking you to address these verses, was to make clear what YOU BELIEVE. I did not think that you would, I only hoped that by openly presenting the truth, it would cause you to see the gross errors in your representation of the scriptures.
It is evident by your response, or shall I say, your inability to maintain the continuity of this fellowship, that your loyalty is only in maintaining a doctrine view which Jesus and his apostles cleary did not hold. This is really a sad moment for me my brother, for I was hoping that you choose loyalty to Christ, rather than your ego.
May God truly bless you in your future pursiuts for truth.
importance in knowing the Feast of the LORD--I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD READ THIS
Posted : 18 Dec, 2009 02:19 PM
Dear manofgod42, and icebro
We must be very careful when dicussing the topic of works, and the laws, so as to not give people a false impression of what Christ and his apostles clearly taught.
We must be willing to present, and address the fulness of their teachings, so that it does not appear as though we
are deliberately distorting what they spoke, to fit how we want to believe.
Please carefully read the following:
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith,
and have not works? can faith save him?.
2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and
filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are
needful to the body; what doth it profit?
2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me
thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my
works.
2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils
also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had
offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was
faith made perfect?
2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God,
and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called
the Friend of God.
2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith
only.
2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when
she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another
way?
2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works
is dead also.
( James 2:15-26 )
2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the
things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law
unto themselves:
2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their
conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while
accusing or else excusing one another;)
2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ
according to my gospel.
Rom. 2: 14-16
2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law,
shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law,
judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the
law?
2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that
circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of
the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of
men, but of God.
Rom. 2: 27-29
3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have
before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after
God.
3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become
unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have
used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom. 3: 9-18
3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works?
Nay: but by the law of faith.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the
deeds of the law.
3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes,
of the Gentiles also:
3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith,
and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we
establish the law.
Rom 3: 27-31
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through
our Lord Jesus Christ:
5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we
stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom. 5 : 1-2
6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may
abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer
therein?
Rom 6 : 1-2
6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should
obey it in the lusts thereof.
6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness
unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive
from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness
unto God.
Rom. 6 : 12-13
6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but
under grace? God forbid.
6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or
of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom. 6 : 15-16
6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom. 6 : 23
7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not
known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law
had said, Thou shalt not covet.
7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all
manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom. 7 : 7-8
7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just,
and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But
sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is
good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under
sin.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but
what I hate, that do I..372
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is
good.
Rom. 7 : 12-16
7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.
7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of
my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is
in my members.
7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of
this death?
7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I
myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Rom. 7 : 24-25
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in
Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free
from the law of sin and death.
8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the
flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and
for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk
not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom. 8 : 1-4
Guys please, stop fighting and get right
We were delivered from the law of sin and death, by the law of the Spirit of life,
which is in Christ Jesus. This is also the law of faith.
That the righteousness of God's holy law could be performed in us,
through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit, who makes God's righteous
laws come alive in us. Through creating a hunger, and thirst for the righteousness
of God, the Holy Spirit faithfully works to complete the work which was began
in us by the sacrifice of Christ.
That work was to present us holy and unblamable and unreprovable in his sight.
This work can be aborted if we to allow our conscience to become seared,
through deliberately despising, and quenching the work of the Holy Spirit in us.
1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind
by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and
unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved
away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which
was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I
importance in knowing the Feast of the LORD--I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD READ THIS
Posted : 18 Dec, 2009 10:53 AM
Dear Manofgod42
I am still waitng on you to address the scriptures which I posted for your comments. I heard nothing on them.
As a man of God to another, I am asking you before God, and all who visit this post, to clearly explain what YOU BELIEVE these verses, which I presented to you, are saying to us who are followers of Christ. I am not asking about arguments, or opinions against them, but a clear explaination of what YOU BELIEVE them to be saying to the BODY OF CHRIST AND THE WORLD.
It appears that you are trying to use the scriptures, and other's commentaries to destroy the harmony of the scriptures, and what they represent as a whole.
If this is not the case, then please address.
10:3 For they being ignorant of God�s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
