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Shabbat Shalom
Posted : 4 Aug, 2017 07:23 PM

Let us pray for those who have been tricked into substituting Sun god Day for YHWH's Shabbat.





Exodus 31:13



"Tell the people of Israel: 'Be careful to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you from generation to generation. It is given so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.





Daniel 7:25



New Living Translation

He will defy the Most High and oppress the holy people of the Most High. He will try to change their sacred festivals and laws, and they will be placed under his control for a time, times, and half a time.

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Elohiym Plural?
Posted : 4 Aug, 2017 07:04 PM

Pluralis Majestatis: Biblical

Hebrew

The term �majestic plural� or

pluralis majesta-

tis

refers to the use of a plural word to refer

honorifically to a single person or entity. It is

also called the �plural of respect�, the �honorific

plural�, the �plural of excellence�, or the �plural

of intensity�. In the Hebrew Bible such plural

forms are most commonly used when referring

to the God of Israel, e.g.,



[see source]



�I am a master (lit. �masters�)� (Mal. 1.6),

although it can also be used when referring to

a human, e.g.,



[see source]



�Abraham his master (lit. �masters�)� (Gen. 24.9),

an object, e.g.,



[see source]



�your grave

(lit. �graves�)� (2 Kgs 22.20), or a personified

abstraction, e.g.,



[see source]



�Wisdom (lit. �wisdoms�) has built

her house� (Prov. 9.1). The pluralis majestatis

appears most frequently in nouns, particularly



[see source]



�God (lit. �gods�)�, but may

also be used with nominalized adjectives, e.g.,



[see source]



�the Holy One (lit. �holy ones�)�

(Prov. 9.10); some participles, e.g.,



[see source]



�your maker (lit. �makers�)� (Isa.54.5) seem to

be examples of the pluralis majestatis as well

(Jo�on and Muraoka 1991:501�502; Waltke

and O�Connor 1990:123; but see GKC 399).

There are no undisputed examples of a pronoun

or a verb displaying the pluralis majestatis;

plural self-reference by a deity, e.g.,



[see source]



�let us make

humankind in our image� (Gen. 1.26), has occa-

sionally been explained as pluralis majestatis,

but comparative Semitic and contextual factors

favor other explanations (for further discussion,

see GKC 398; Hasel 1975:58�66; Westermann

1981:144�145).

When a plural word used in the pluralis

majestatis is modified by an adjective, the adjec-

tive is usually singular, e.g.,



[see source]



�the living God� (Jer. 23.36).

Similarly, when a plural word in the pluralis

majestatis is the subject of a verb, the verb is

usually singular, e.g.,



[see source]



�God went� (1 Chron. 17.21), but a

plural verb is occasionally used, e.g.,



[see source]



�God went� (2 Sam. 7.23).





References

Ember, Aaron. 1905. �The pluralis intensivus in

Hebrew�.

American Journal of Semitic Languages

and Literature

21:195�231.

GKC = Kautzsch, Emil (ed.). 1910.

Gesenius� Hebrew

grammar

. Trans. by Arthur E. Cowley. Oxford:

Clarendon.

Hasel, Gerhard F. 1975. �Meaning of �Let us� in

Gn 1:26�.

Andrews University Seminary Studies

13:58�66.

Jo�on, Paul and Takamitsu Muraoka. 1991.

A gram-

mar of Biblical Hebrew

. Rome: Pontifical Biblical

Institute Press.

Van der Merwe, Christo H. J., Jackie A. Naud�, and

Jan H. Kroeze. 2002.

A Biblical Hebrew reference

grammar

. London: Sheffield Academic.

Waltke, Bruce K. and Michael O�Connor. 1990.

An

introduction to Biblical Hebrew syntax

. Winona

Lake, Indiana: Eisenbrauns.

Westermann, Claus. 1981.

Genesis

, vol. 1. Neukir-

chener Vluyn: Neukirchener.

Williams, Ronald J. and John C. Beckman. 2007.

Williams� Hebrew syntax

,

3rd edition. Toronto:

University of Toronto Press.

John C. Beckman

(Harvard University)





https://hebrewsyntax.org/hebrew_resources/Beckman%20JC%202013%20(Pluralis%20Majestatis%20BH)%20EHLL.pdf





Hey Little David, it's your move.



Better eat your Wheaties! LOL!

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Why did Peter get out of the boat to walk on the water towards Mesiah
Posted : 4 Aug, 2017 04:42 PM

GNWS Said:



In verse 27 Messiah clearly proclaims that He is GOD Almighty



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Matthew 14:27King James Version (KJV)



27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.





That's quite a stretch, even for King James!

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To the Lawless Ones
Posted : 4 Aug, 2017 03:36 PM

To Little David:



Did Moses reside in Jerusalem?



Your answers are all in the Pentateuch.



Seek and you will find.



Romans 2:12 - For as many as have sinned without Law will also perish without Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law 13 (for not the hearers of the Law [are] just in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law will be justified;

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Jewish Rabbi named YESHUA as the Messiah
Posted : 4 Aug, 2017 03:16 PM

Prophetic, why do you feel the need to bear false witness against me?



Thou shalt not!

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Elohiym Plural?
Posted : 4 Aug, 2017 03:07 PM

Little David Said:



Very unconvincing. You appear to have selected the "quality" argument without justification. Too many other portions of Scripture contradict your theory.



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Bare assertion fallacy.



You said too many portions of scripture contradict [facts. not theory] yet you failed to produce even one.



In case you didn't know; here is how logical arguments work:



Someone makes an assertion, and backs it up with verifiable evidence.



Someone makes a counterargument, and backs it up with verifiable evidence.



You failed to do that.



Am I just to take your word for it, that you understand Hebrew, better than the Hebrews?





Rabbi Stanley Greenberg of Temple Sinai in Philadelphia wrote: "Christians are, of course, entitled to believe in a Trinitarian conception of God. but their effort to base this conception on the Hebrew Bible must fly in the face of the overwhelming testimony of that Bible. Hebrew Scriptures are clear and unequivocal on the oneness of God The Hebrew Bible affirms the one God with unmistakable clarity Monotheism, an uncompromising belief in one God, is the hallmark of the Hebrew Bible, the unwavering affirmation of Judaism and the unshakable faith of the Jew."



He went on to say "... under no circumstances can a concept of a plurality of the Godhead or a trinity of the Godhead ever be based upon the Hebrew Bible."



"But, in fact, the verb used in the opening verse of Genesis is "bara," which means "he created" - singular. One need not be too profound a student of Hebrew to understand that the opening verse of Genesis clearly speaks of a singular God."

As Gesenius, the father of Hebrew grammarians, has said, when Elohim is applied to Yahweh, or any single deity, it is the plural of excellence or majesty, not a plural of beings. The Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament concurs. It says, "The plural ending is usually described as a plural of majesty and not intended as a true plural when used of God. This is seen in the fact that the noun elohim is consistently used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular."



http://frank4yahweh.tripod.com/Elohim.html

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Jewish Rabbi named YESHUA as the Messiah
Posted : 3 Aug, 2017 06:01 PM

Profetic, why do you insist on posting unrelated walls of text on everyone's threads? It inhibits intelligent conversation. It also makes it difficult for readers to follow the conversation of the topic.



Many have asked you to stop. Are you aware that you're being rude?

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Elohiym Plural?
Posted : 2 Aug, 2017 06:20 PM

Is the Hebrew word for God in the plural meaning more than one?



The Hebrew word translated as "God" is elohiym. It is the plural form of elo'ah. While elohiym is plural. this does not mean that it is more than one. In Hebrew, a plural word may indicate quality as well as quantity. As an example, the Hebrew word ets is a tree. If there are two trees this would be written as etsiym meaning trees, qualitatively large. A large tree such as a Redwood could also be written etsiym, qualitatively large. As elohiym is plural, it can be translated as "gods" (quantity) or a very large and powerful "god" (quality). The creator of the heavens and the earth is far above any other god and is therefore elohiym, not just an eloah. The context the word is used will help to determine if the plural is qualitative or quantitative. If the plural noun is the subject of a verb, the verb will indicate if the subject is singular or more than one. For instance in Genesis 1:1 the verb bara (created) identifies the subject of the verb as masculine singular. The next word is elohiym (the subject of the verb) and is understood as a singular qualitatively large noun, God and not gods.







http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/1_faqs.html#god1

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Jesus Christ the Son of God a Weakling Without The Spirit of God His Father
Posted : 2 Aug, 2017 05:50 PM

GNWS Said:



Genesis chapter 1, In the beginning ELOHIM (plural of ELOAH) in Hebrew (IM) is added to make a word plural; Cherub-Cherubim



Seraph-Seraphim, ELOAH - Elohiym, goy -goyim.



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Is the Hebrew word for God in the plural meaning more than one?



The Hebrew word translated as "God" is elohiym. It is the plural form of elo'ah. While elohiym is plural. this does not mean that it is more than one. In Hebrew, a plural word may indicate quality as well as quantity. As an example, the Hebrew word ets is a tree. If there are two trees this would be written as etsiym meaning trees, qualitatively large. A large tree such as a Redwood could also be written etsiym, qualitatively large. As elohiym is plural, it can be translated as "gods" (quantity) or a very large and powerful "god" (quality). The creator of the heavens and the earth is far above any other god and is therefore elohiym, not just an eloah. The context the word is used will help to determine if the plural is qualitative or quantitative. If the plural noun is the subject of a verb, the verb will indicate if the subject is singular or more than one. For instance in Genesis 1:1 the verb bara (created) identifies the subject of the verb as masculine singular. The next word is elohiym (the subject of the verb) and is understood as a singular qualitatively large noun, God and not gods.



http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/1_faqs.html#god1

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Who is Yahshua's God
Posted : 2 Aug, 2017 04:22 PM

GNWS Said:



My question is this, Who do you believe Yeshua is, Is He GOD Almighty the Son, the second person within the Triune GODHEAD, or is he just an ordinary man.



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You're off topic; but I'll give you some quick, easy, answers.



1.) The son is not God Almighty. That would be the Father.



2.) There is no triune godhead. That's a Pagan fabrication.



3.) The Messiah is not ordinary; otherwise he wouldn't have the distinguished title of "Messiah."



If you would like to discuss this topic further; you might want to start a thread on the subject.



Shalom

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